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Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Been down the Four on the Floor Rabbit hole... thought the OT might have an opinion.


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John Holmes was a pretty famous porn star in the ’70s, having starred in over 500 films. But by the time 1981 rolled around, his drug habit had left him in severe debt with the Wonderland Gang.
John had been dealing drugs for the Gang, but using some of the money to purchase drugs for himself. When the Gang found out, they cut off his access to the house on Wonderland and threatened his life if he didn’t pay back the money.
Instead of coming up with the money, he came up with a plan. John told the Gang that he had a wealthy friend who always had a ton of drugs, cash, and valuables lying around his house. John said he could get the Gang inside.
John drew a map of the layout of his friend Eddie Nash’s house, including where all the valuables were located.



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On the night of June 29, 1981, the Gang fronted John $400 to buy drugs from Eddie Nash. While there John unlocked the back door, so the Gang could get in later without making any noise.
The Gang, including Billy, Ronald, and two others, carried guns and flashed fake police badges as they stormed the house.
One of the gang members shot a bodyguard of Nash’s while he was trying to handcuff him. After this, they headed to the master bedroom and forced Nash to give them the combination to the safe.
The Gang made off with over $100,000 in cash, heroin, eight pounds of cocaine, 5000 Quaaludes, guns, and jewelry.



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Within 48 hours of the robbery, Nash was pretty sure he knew who was behind the heist. He had his bodyguard, who had been shot and injured that night, bring John Holmes over to his house to talk.
John was held at gunpoint while Nash went through an address book John had on him. Nash said he would hunt down and kill all of John’s friends and family if he didn’t tell him who robbed his house.
Nash was a well off guy, so the theft wasn’t going to break him, it was more a matter of principle. Besides being a drug kingpin who had political and police connections, Nash also owned some of the most famous clubs in Hollywood at the time.
Nash would later only admit to sending guys over to the Wonderland townhouse to retrieve the items stolen from him. But we already know what happened that night.



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In March 1982, the police made an arrest, John Holmes. They charged him with four counts of murder. Their sole piece of evidence was a palm print on the headboard of Ronald’s bed. John’s lawyer explained it away, saying that his client spent a lot of time at the house and would often crash in whatever bed was available.
John refused to cooperate in the investigation and spent four months in jail before he was eventually acquitted of all charges.



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After he died, John’s ex-wife told the Los Angeles Times that he had confessed to her his part in the Four on the Floor Murders. He said that he led three men inside the Wonderland townhouse and watched as they beat the five occupants. His wife asked him he didn’t do or say anything, and John said: “they were dirt.” A girlfriend of Holmes from 1981 verified his ex-wife’s story, saying John had told her the same thing.




Reasons I think he might have actually helped with the murders is the wonderland gang picked on him, were mean to him, and shorted him on the Nash heist. He obviously didn't care much for them.
He was a known pathological liar. So cant really believe what he told anyone about that night.

And his wife in other interviews said he showed up covered in blood, which sounds more like he helped versus was just in the room..

What's the OTs thoughts?


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Read about it years ago. I think he was involved.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
One thing is for sure, the cops either really fricked up the investigation... or really just didnt care much about prosecuting anyone over some dead drug dealers.
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After he died, John’s ex-wife told the Los Angeles Times that he had confessed to her his part in the Four on the Floor Murders.

Part of her anatomy was nicknamed “BK”: Home of the Whopper


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Sounds like a great movie plot.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
They tried Nash and his henchmen for murder and the jury verdict was 11 to 1 in favor of conviction. The juror who voted not guilty was bribed. Nash was later found guilty on federal charges including one relating to the bribe of the juror.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
They made a movie about this. Val Kilmer plays JH.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Yeah, I never saw it. Need to see if I can find it to rent on YouTube though.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Well Nash and his henchmen Diles were definitely in on it and the main orchestrators.

I just wonder if Holmes actually swung a pipe or not.
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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
The scene in Boogie Nights was also inspired by the Wonderland stuff.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
It’s done in a Rashomon style where the murders are shown from a few different points of view.

I enjoyed the movie.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
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Sounds like a great movie plot.



Movie= Wonderland with Val Kilmer, Kate Bosworth, Lisa Kudrow, Christina Applegate...


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
I've seen it twice. Never knew about the murders until I decided to watch the movie. Its pretty good. It leaves you wondering if Holmes actually took part in the murders (and they were brutally murdered). Amazon Prime offers it as a rental for $3.99.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Johnny Wadd Holmes


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
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Sounds like a great movie plot.


There is a movie starring Val Kilmer. The title is "Wonderland." Not great but decent. A little long.

ETA: Dawg Girl beat me to it.
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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
I thought the movie was great.

He was guilty.


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
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I just wonder if Holmes actually swung a pipe or not.


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And his wife in other interviews said he showed up covered in blood,


Awesome scene in the movie Wonderland. I remember thinking “Holy shit! Pheobe can act!”


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
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Reasons I think he might have actually helped with the murders is


Cause he said he did?


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re: Wonderland Murders - Was Holmes just there or did he help murder them?
Movie was awesome


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