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re: Why was Japan able to immediately rebuild Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:40 pm to sabes que
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:40 pm to sabes que
From the “77 Years Go Today” thread:
The US wrote a republican constitution and told them “do this”, the US poured billions of $ into Japan and rebuilt their cities, factories, roads, etc etc, the US let their Emperor live and pretended he had nothing to do with war planning to help the society transition, the US military has defended Japan since 1945, allowing them to spend money in other areas.
The US wrote a republican constitution and told them “do this”, the US poured billions of $ into Japan and rebuilt their cities, factories, roads, etc etc, the US let their Emperor live and pretended he had nothing to do with war planning to help the society transition, the US military has defended Japan since 1945, allowing them to spend money in other areas.
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:47 pm to sabes que
And why has New Orleans still not fixed buildings that were damaged during Katrina?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:51 pm to sabes que
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So then why do they say that the US and Russia have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over? They have what, a couple of thousand a piece? If the radiation is low enough to move back in after a few weeks, then way more than that would be needed to “destroy” the entire world
1. Those claims are likely greatly exaggerated, particularly when referencing our current inventory of nuclear weapons.
2. Modern thermonuclear weapons are orders of magnitude more powerful than the fission bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Little Man had a yield of roughly 15,000 tons (15 kt) TNT equivalent. Fat Man had a yield of 21,000 tons (21 kt) TNT equivalent. The Mk-41 thermonuclear bomb developed in the 60’s had a yield of 25,000,000 tons (25 Mt) TNT equivalent.
One Mk-41 was more powerful than 1,600 Little Boys. We built over 500 of them, and that’s just one small piece of the total arsenal that we built during the Cold War. At one point, the USSR and US combined had over 60,000 active nuclear warheads in their arsenals.
3. It’s worth noting that the biological effects of radiation exposure were not nearly as well-known at the time of the bombings in Japan as they are today. It’s also worth noting that the US-led occupation in Japan immediately following WW2 actively suppressed information related to the bombings and their aftermath.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:54 pm to sabes que
Some of y'all need to read a book on the Manhattan Project.
They did the Trinty test in mid-July using a plutonium/implosion type bomb because it was more complicated, and therefore more likely to "fizzle". Obviously, they didn't want that to happen over a Japanese target. They were very certain that the simpler design of the gun type uranium bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima would detonate.
I believe they mainly thought that destruction and loss of life would be caused by blast, then heat in a larger area, and then the shock wave over an even larger area.
I'm not sure how concerned they were (initially, at least) about radiation. They had American troops walking around Hiroshima and Nagasaki with no PPE. A few had Geiger counters just for curiosity's sake.
Nagasaki was a plutonium bomb similar to the one tested at the Trinity Site.
It was Nagasaki's bad luck that they got bombed that day. They were a secondary target, as there were heavy clouds over the primary target (Niigata, I think.)
All five or six cities on the target list were selected (in part) because they had little or no bombing damage and we would be able to make a more accurate bomb damage assessment on a previously undamaged target.
The ancient Imperial City of Kyoto made LeMay's target list (because that's the kind of ruthless bastard you want running your bombing campaign), but was scratched by someone in DC who had spent time there in the 20s/30s.
They did the Trinty test in mid-July using a plutonium/implosion type bomb because it was more complicated, and therefore more likely to "fizzle". Obviously, they didn't want that to happen over a Japanese target. They were very certain that the simpler design of the gun type uranium bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima would detonate.
I believe they mainly thought that destruction and loss of life would be caused by blast, then heat in a larger area, and then the shock wave over an even larger area.
I'm not sure how concerned they were (initially, at least) about radiation. They had American troops walking around Hiroshima and Nagasaki with no PPE. A few had Geiger counters just for curiosity's sake.
Nagasaki was a plutonium bomb similar to the one tested at the Trinity Site.
It was Nagasaki's bad luck that they got bombed that day. They were a secondary target, as there were heavy clouds over the primary target (Niigata, I think.)
All five or six cities on the target list were selected (in part) because they had little or no bombing damage and we would be able to make a more accurate bomb damage assessment on a previously undamaged target.
The ancient Imperial City of Kyoto made LeMay's target list (because that's the kind of ruthless bastard you want running your bombing campaign), but was scratched by someone in DC who had spent time there in the 20s/30s.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:02 pm to sabes que
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So then why do they say that the US and Russia have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over? They have what, a couple of thousand a piece?
Due you have any idea of the difference between a kiloton vs. a megaton? If not, it would be like teaching a chimp to fly a 737.
Here’s a hint, then you children can dig in the worm holes in your pockets.
Little Boy that was dropped on Hiroshima with a gun trigger and exploded with the equivalence of 15 kilotons or 15,000 tons of TNT.
Our current sub-launched ICBM’s, the civilization killers, have a yield of 1.2 Megatons or roughly 60x’s more destructive than Little Boy.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:09 pm to sabes que
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immediately rebuild
Flat blank canvas
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:25 pm to Cromulent
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it was actually 1 megaton less than the test bomb
Both bombs were in the low 20 kiloton range, champ.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:49 pm to sabes que
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:53 pm to sabes que
Fallout will be a bigger deal the closer it detonates to the ground. If the dust particles get irradiated and blown around it’s a big deal. If little to no dust particles get irradiated their is a lot less of a problem.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 4:53 pm to DontThreadOnMe
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:00 pm to White Roach
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The ancient Imperial City of Kyoto made LeMay's target list (because that's the kind of ruthless bastard you want running your bombing campaign),
Gosh LeMay could be a dick, in a good way, but I am damn glad that a-hole was running SAC.
He would constantly check security on the bases. One time, he stole a jeep and rammed the fence to break through. The guard opened fire on him, missing. LeMay stopped, got out, and told the guard "Good Job" ...then (allegedly) demoted the man for missing.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:21 pm to sta4ever
quote:One is in the First World and the other might as well be Port-au-Prince.
And why has New Orleans still not fixed buildings that were damaged during Katrina?
So that’s why.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:48 pm to sabes que
Rebuilding things are normal for humans and nothing exceptional
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:01 pm to sabes que
They aren’t as diverse as we are.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 6:55 pm to Indefatigable
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In short, because we remade Japan in our image within the confines of their culture.
Hmm. I don’t think that’s accurate or maybe just the way it’s phrased.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:05 pm to 21JumpStreet
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21JumpStreet
Your post history screams "mentally unstable..."
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:11 pm to sabes que
Because of this man,
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:12 pm to 21JumpStreet
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At the very least, the impact seems less severe than what is preached
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The right: everyone are liars unless it fits the narrative
Wtf?
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:39 pm to Junky
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Gosh LeMay could be a dick, but in a good way
I've told this story before...
My dad was in B-29s and was under Curtis LeMay, as most people were, and he was full of LeMay stories. My favorite is a press conference after the atomic bombings and the scale of the casualties was becoming known. He was asked something to the effect of Did he feel guilty or bad from all the deaths from only two bombs? LeMay's response was something like this, "No, I don't feel guilty. We've been killing a quarter of a million a night since March on firebomb raids. More planes and more bombs, but with the same results. I've been used to it."
Posted on 8/6/22 at 7:51 pm to sabes que
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At the very least, the impact seems less severe than what is preached
This is true, the total devistaion was less than how it was portrayed in both cities, businesses were actually open only days after the bombing. My Dad was in Hiroshima a couple of weeks after the bomb hit, I have photos he took. Looking one direction you sees a large swath of burned out barren area, the other direction people are walking around in the streets in front of stores that are doing business.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 7:57 pm
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