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re: Why to believe in God?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:54 pm to Tigerroar73
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:54 pm to Tigerroar73
Faith is a very personal thing. People often fall in and out of it as they move throughout their life. I know I have.
A lot of people will hit you with the big picture stuff, but there are a lot of 'smaller' things that draw me towards faith.
The Bible when interpretations of it aren't warped by man is a great foundation for a society to live by. When you look at it from the perspective of people who lived long ago, the principles in it not only serve the purpose of being a field manual on living a godly life, but those principles often go a long way in helping you and your community keep existing in the first place. A small village of 5-6 families could be devastated by infidelity that's discovered by one of the parties, for example.
I also think there is some kind of 'power' or whatever you want to call it in embracing traditions that people have done for thousands of years. I'm not Catholic, but I'm drawn toward Catholicism a bit for that reason. And just the act of joining together and communing with people in your community who generally share a similar value set contributes to that as well, but its also just a logical thing to do.
Another thing for me is the lessons and power of individual stories in the Bible. I don't think he is the world's greatest mind or anything by any means, but Jordan Peterson's series on Exodus was great. There are a ton of themes in that book that repeat themselves all over the Bible and all over other stories we love ever since.
Also on the point about polytheistic religions, I think for people back then that weren't as connected as we are now, and even not as much as some other cultures were even in the times that polytheism was prevalent, you had more of a sense of isolation. Even Rome for instance thought it was the center of the universe, and were traveling to the far reaches of the wild north to tame savages and such. So there is this sense that you're the focus of everything and all of these conflicting forces are happening to you and your environment... just seems like it would be harder to imagine one force controlling all of that. Several different forces, sometimes in conflict with each you (and at times YOU) just makes more sense within the world view.
A lot of people will hit you with the big picture stuff, but there are a lot of 'smaller' things that draw me towards faith.
The Bible when interpretations of it aren't warped by man is a great foundation for a society to live by. When you look at it from the perspective of people who lived long ago, the principles in it not only serve the purpose of being a field manual on living a godly life, but those principles often go a long way in helping you and your community keep existing in the first place. A small village of 5-6 families could be devastated by infidelity that's discovered by one of the parties, for example.
I also think there is some kind of 'power' or whatever you want to call it in embracing traditions that people have done for thousands of years. I'm not Catholic, but I'm drawn toward Catholicism a bit for that reason. And just the act of joining together and communing with people in your community who generally share a similar value set contributes to that as well, but its also just a logical thing to do.
Another thing for me is the lessons and power of individual stories in the Bible. I don't think he is the world's greatest mind or anything by any means, but Jordan Peterson's series on Exodus was great. There are a ton of themes in that book that repeat themselves all over the Bible and all over other stories we love ever since.
Also on the point about polytheistic religions, I think for people back then that weren't as connected as we are now, and even not as much as some other cultures were even in the times that polytheism was prevalent, you had more of a sense of isolation. Even Rome for instance thought it was the center of the universe, and were traveling to the far reaches of the wild north to tame savages and such. So there is this sense that you're the focus of everything and all of these conflicting forces are happening to you and your environment... just seems like it would be harder to imagine one force controlling all of that. Several different forces, sometimes in conflict with each you (and at times YOU) just makes more sense within the world view.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:56 pm to Furious
I'm fully open to the possibility of a deity. I struggle mightily with the idea that this deity gives a shite about us. I've seen to much that indicates otherwise.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:59 pm to Tigerroar73
I don't believe in you .....case
closed
closed
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:02 pm to Tigerroar73
Why to worry about the faith of others?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:03 pm to Jim Rockford
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I'm fully open to the possibility of a deity. I struggle mightily with the idea that this deity gives a shite about us. I've seen to much that indicates otherwise.
You are primed for a prime mover.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:07 pm to Furious
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Seriously, you are a clown.
Thank you. I try to bring levity and laughter to others. It is a small thing to do which is universally recognized to make live slightly more bearable....which is pretty much the basis of Christianity, lightening the load of others if you can.
But of course you meant that as an insult because you do not possess any faith and do not follow any kind of religious teachings to treat people as youd like to be treated, to not judge and to be kind to others. I bet you claim to be a believer, don't you? The reason I leapt to that conclusion is because like all true believers your actions belie you words. Faith is what is needed and is what leads people to lead lives based on their religion...believers lack faith.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:09 pm to Jim Rockford
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I struggle mightily with the idea that this deity gives a shite about us. I've seen to much that indicates otherwise.
We live in an imperfect world which is due to our impefect nature.
Instead of focusing on the negatives, try focusing on the positives. We have such a great capacity for love and that comes from God. He gives us free will. There can be no love without free will. Love is the key. Love overcomes everything, including death. That is why Jesus died on the cross, for love of mankind, even though mankind can be prideful and evil, God still loves us anyways.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:10 pm to Tigerroar73
quote:Jesus, that line is getting tired
Most of us are atheistic towards Iroquois gods, Viking gods, Greek gods, Hindu Gods, etc.
Some of us just take our atheism one god further.
Ever time by someone who thinks it is clever
The Christian can say something similar
"we are the same, I just disbelieve in one fewer God than you."
It is a foundation for a discussion that collapses on itself in a barrage of quips and is strangled by it's inability to escape the tired sloganeering.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:13 pm to Boss13
quote:1st Yoda
Do or don't.
Chapter 2 verse 11

Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:23 pm to StrongOffer
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The Christian faith is based on evidence and logic.
I can't have a conversation with someone who believes christianity is based on evidence and logic. At least not a conversation worth having.
I have nothing against you believing that either, i just think you're illogical, and who cares what I think. You do you..
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:26 pm to Tigerroar73
If I live my life as if God is real and I'm wrong, I've lost nothing.
If I live my life as if God is not real and I'm wrong, I've lost everything.
~Pascal's wager.
This philosopher's view is deep.
If I live my life as if God is not real and I'm wrong, I've lost everything.
~Pascal's wager.
This philosopher's view is deep.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:31 pm to JetsetNuggs
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The Big Dawg up there still loves you regardless, Coach
Until he casts you in a lake of fire. But...he still loves you?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:39 pm to back9Tiger
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If I am wrong, I just wasted my life.
If you are wrong, you wasted eternity.
You live your life on earth with a fear of the afterlife. I don't.
The difference between the millions of people that are agnostic (as i think there are many more agnostic than true atheist), and the hundreds of millions of christians is the agnostic don't spend their time on earth worrying about what other people will think if they quit going to church. Most humans with a logical brain understand that we didn't just get created from nothing and the universe's existence isn't pointless. There's obviously something else out there that put all of this here. Pretending to believe you have the answer to what's out there despite there being zero proof of your belief is a waste of your short time alive on this earth, imo.
I'm going to be a good person regardless, and I can accept whatever happens to my soul/spirit when my earthly body ceases to exist.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Galileo, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, John Lennox...all illogical idiots huh? Amazing how easy you write off a world view that brought us the scientific method, human rights, modern medicine, and western civilization as illogical and stupid.
I can't have a conversation with someone who believes christianity is based on evidence and logic. At least not a conversation worth having.
I have nothing against you believing that either, i just think you're illogical, and who cares what I think. You do you..
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:You're already contradicting your post to me.
Most humans with a logical brain understand that we didn't just get created from nothing and the universe's existence isn't pointless.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:07 pm to AwgustaDawg
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But of course you meant that as an insult
Not an insult at all. Your statements were clownish. Had I posted contradictory notions as you did, I would expect to be called a clown.
I have great faith by the way. I absolutely treat others how I want to be treated. You do not know me, yet you accuse me of being a hyprocite. I will pray for you and all those non-believers. The grace from God that I have received in my life is amazing. I hope some day that you see the light as I have. God bless you.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:08 pm to eatpie
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f I live my life as if God is real and I'm wrong, I've lost nothing.
If I live my life as if God is not real and I'm wrong, I've lost everything.
~Pascal's wager.
This philosopher's view is deep.
Kinda like applying to Duke in case you don't get into Princeton, yes? The God as a safety school hypothesis.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:14 pm to eatpie
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If I live my life as if God is real and I'm wrong, I've lost nothing.
To me time spent at church is time i will never get back, so i have lost something. That's time i could have spent doing something fun with my kids, wife, family and friends. I would have rather played in that baseball game my mom made me miss when I was 12 so I could go to church on Holy Thursday and wash someone's fricking feet.
I spent every Friday and Sunday from age 5-18, as well as every Holy Day of obligation in church, and that's time lost to me on this earth.
So to say i've lost nothing, I whole heartedly disagree. I lost time I could have spent playing with my friends or family, hunting, fishing, riding a bike, playing sports, etc. I'll never get that time back, and for what, so I could blindly worship a god?
The person that made me attend all those masses as a kid, feels the same way I do now, and regrets that time wasted. She literally apologized to myself and my sister for missing games, recitals, and other things b/c she was busy doing church things. Even she remembered making me miss that baseball game when I was 12, and said how stupid that was for her to do to me.
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If I live my life as if God is not real and I'm wrong, I've lost everything.
I'm a good person. Nothing about what I do and don't do as far as morality goes is changed if i'm in church every sunday or not. If your god doesn't want me for his special kingdom of the afterlife, i'm good with that.
The only thing i know to be true is the time i will spend on this earth. No one knows what lies beyond this earthly life. I'm going to spend the time i do know i have filling it with as much joy as i can. For me that doesn't involve worshipping dieties. If that's what brings you joy, then good for you.
But if you're believing and worshipping a diety simply b/c you're afraid of the afterlife (which this "if i'm right and your wrong" line of thinking comes from) i think you need to rethink what you are actually believing in. Your belief shouldn't be rooted in fear of not believing.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:19 pm to StrongOffer
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Galileo, Copernicus, Descartes, Pascal, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, CS Lewis, GK Chesterton, John Lennox...all illogical idiots huh? Amazing how easy you write off a world view that brought us the scientific method, human rights, modern medicine, and western civilization as illogical and stupid.
Thanks for proving my point. There's no conversation we can have where you provide credible evidence your diety is the one true diety. We'll never agree. You will call me an idiot for not believing something, and i'll simply say you didnt prove anything, and you'll tell me you did, and i'll say you didn't, and it'll never end.
And it's ok. Believe what you want. If that's what makes you happy, I'm happy for you.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 4:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
Thanks for proving what point? My post wasn’t to give evidence proving Christianity. It was responding to you stating that Christians aren’t logic or evidence based. Some of the most renown scientists and philosophers in history were Christians. You really think they weren’t logical or evidence based?
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