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Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:00 pm to ELVIS U
quote:Twice a much as what?
They cost twice as much
quote:Can you elaborate?
Their fuel costs about 10 times as much.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:02 pm to EA6B
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One night last month I left my house at 8:00 At night, started driving to Ft Davis TX in west Texas without giving a single seconds thought as to where, or if I would get fuel. Until there are enough charging stations to do that with a EV truck it doesn’t come close to the utility and convenience of s ICE powered truck.
with the cybertruck you wouldnt have had to worry about the charging station because it wouldve already had full range from being charged at home, with an even greater range than your truck. plus there already are enough charging stations to make cross country trips so it seems like the conditions are met.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:05 pm to Clames
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Range, convenience, and utility simply aren't there for me and probably won't be in my lifetime.
you said the above, I said below.
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itl probably be out next year maybe this year.
to which your response was:
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LOL, and there you have it.
so now I will quote yourself back to you. LOL, and there you have it. unless you think your lifetime will be over before end of 2022.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:16 pm to weagle99
I don’t
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:29 pm to AMS
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plus there already are enough charging stations to make cross country trips so it seems like the conditions are met.
How long would this trip take compared to an ICE? You have to map your trip according to charging stations. Then you have to share said station with every other EV. ICE has multiple fuel enters at damn near exit from coast to coast.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:48 pm to TDTOM
quote:We take a 10 hour family trip every year.
How long would this trip take compared to an ICE?
It's about 60 minutes total of charging, at the most.
I have a family, 2 young kids. When you factor in the normal stops for bathroom breaks, good, etc... It probably adds 20 to 30 minutes at the absolute most to that 10 hour trip.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:05 pm to TDTOM
quote:Several variables here but figure 30 extra minutes per 200 miles or so, I guess. Works out to 15-20% more time.
How long would this trip take compared to an ICE?
quote:Judging by the supercharger map, if you are on the interstate you are never more than 50 miles from a charger.
You have to map your trip according to charging stations.
quote:EVs are definitely less convenient than ICEs on those 1% of trips (15% of miles) that are further than 100 miles. The other 85% of miles the EV is more convenient.
Then you have to share said station with every other EV. ICE has multiple fuel enters at damn near exit from coast to coast.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:08 pm to TDTOM
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How long would this trip take compared to an ICE? You have to map your trip according to charging stations. Then you have to share said station with every other EV. ICE has multiple fuel enters at damn near exit from coast to coast.
you pretty much have to be actively avoiding superchargers to have a problem finding superchargers within the range of a tesla.
so weve dispatched the omg your road trip is totally at the mercy of chargers myth. if your straight chugging through a coast to coast EV drive with current range of 300ish would maybe take 3-4 hours longer overall. but a cybertruck with over 500 range might take like 45 minutes longer.
but what if I planned to take a week or two to drive it and sight see along the way instead of chugging straight though? I would save time charging.
when we talk about EVs being an inconvenience this fact always gets glossed over.... EVs save more time overall (not just on rare cross country journeys for argument sake) by charging at places you already are/will be, which is the vast majority of charging. But you will always be wasting time pumping gas.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:14 pm to AMS
quote:Right, your map doesn't even include Tesla's Destination Chargers, which outnumber Supercharger stations by about 2 to 1. And charging is free at destination chargers, so you save time and money.
EVs save more time overall by charging at places you already are/will be, which is the vast majority of charging.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:15 pm to Korkstand
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Right, your map doesn't even include Tesla's Destination Chargers, which outnumber Supercharger stations by about 2 to 1. And charging is free at destination chargers, so you save time and money.
but that totally wrecks the no infrastructure narrative. How is this possible?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 6:45 pm to weagle99
Price? For a daily commuter they're great cars and can save a few grand each year versus a gas-powered vehicle.
Convenience? Charge at home overnight instead of stopping by a gas station twice a week (especially great living in a big city). Less time spent on maintenance. For the LA baws the e-F150 will power your house for a couple of days when the next hurricane rolls through.
Comfort? They're pretty nice vehicles and have the latest bells and whistles. Pet mode is especially nice if your pup travels with you a lot.
Long trips? Nope, but no reasonable person is suggesting we get rid of gas powered vehicles.
I don't own one yet but at this point they look like a great option for our next car which will be a commuter for the wife.
Convenience? Charge at home overnight instead of stopping by a gas station twice a week (especially great living in a big city). Less time spent on maintenance. For the LA baws the e-F150 will power your house for a couple of days when the next hurricane rolls through.
Comfort? They're pretty nice vehicles and have the latest bells and whistles. Pet mode is especially nice if your pup travels with you a lot.
Long trips? Nope, but no reasonable person is suggesting we get rid of gas powered vehicles.
I don't own one yet but at this point they look like a great option for our next car which will be a commuter for the wife.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:03 pm to AMS
It wrecks nothing. I can walk coast to coast, but that doesn’t mean it is the most efficient way to get there.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:19 pm to TDTOM
quote:You're correct, an EV isn't the most efficient for a coast to coast trip.
It wrecks nothing. I can walk coast to coast, but that doesn’t mean it is the most efficient way to get there
But the majority of traveling is day to day commuter routes, and EVs are absolutely more efficient and save more time for this, which again, is the vast majority of traveling for most people.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:42 pm to PMHBammer
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For the LA baws the e-F150 will power your house for a couple of days when the next hurricane rolls through.
This is a really overlooked selling point. A standard range Model 3 is equivalent to 3.7 PowerWall 2s. A long range model 3 is 5.5. That’s not insignificant.
And for the people who are worried about generation capacity, I’ll pose the question I typically do that no one acknowledges. What happens when you deploy a frick load of interconnected storage? Remember, these are not consumption devices, they are energy storage devices that can function bidirectionally.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 7:56 pm to weagle99
Because the Government force you to do it.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:04 pm to billjamin
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For the LA baws the e-F150 will power your house for a couple of days when the next hurricane rolls through.
This is a really overlooked selling point. A standard range Model 3 is equivalent to 3.7 PowerWall 2s. A long range model 3 is 5.5. That’s not insignificant.
What do you do after a couple of days when your house still doesnt have power as is pretty common, and the truck is dead.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:17 pm to EA6B
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What do you do after a couple of days when your house still doesnt have power as is pretty common, and the truck is dead.
same exact thing you do when the power is out and your truck is out of gas. bc gas shortages are a thing in these situations too.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 8:20 pm to EA6B
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What do you do after a couple of days when your house still doesnt have power as is pretty common, and the truck is dead.
There are several options. And this is by no means a perfect solution and I’ll preface this with I don’t think 100% EVs are a good thing. I think currently a decent option is one ICE and one EV. If you only have one vehicle, an EV is certainly not for you, but let’s be honest, single vehicle households are not the norm.
If you had solar, you could charge your EV. Or you could only run critical loads and you’ll get more than a couple days.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 8:21 pm
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