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Why can't our climate agreements and policies reduce atmospheric CO2 trends?

Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:05 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:05 am




If you are concerned about the current trend in atmospheric CO2 get a new starting point and you'll feel better. For example:

This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 10:06 am
Posted by Unobtanium
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:07 am to
All those G6's flying to the climate change conferences surely can't be helping.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:09 am to
Posted by Langland
Trumplandia
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:11 am to
Not enough taxes?
Posted by Boston911
Lafayette
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:15 am to
This isn’t based on facts, just observances, I’ve been international quite a bit, I don’t see shite being done in China, India and other countries that look like they are putting forth any effort. Maybe they are, but visually, I don’t see it. I was in Kathmandu in April and May, it’s surrounded by mountains, stayed in the middle of the city and never saw a mountain because of the smog.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:18 am to
The quickest answer? No one is holding the primary emitters accountable.



The part of the answer climate alarmists want to ignore:



LINK

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Earth's total annual out-gassing of CO2 via volcanoes and through other geological processes such as the heating of limestone in mountain belts is newly estimated by DCO experts at roughly 300 to 400 million metric tonnes (0.3 to 0.4 Gt).

Volcanoes and volcanic regions alone outgas an estimated 280-360 million tonnes (0.28 to 0.36 Gt) of CO2 per year. This includes the CO2 contribution from active volcanic vents, from the diffuse, widespread release of CO2 through soils, faults, and fractures in volcanic regions, volcanic lakes, and from the mid-ocean ridge system.

In many world regions, tectonic outgassing (emissions from mountain belts and other plate boundaries), particularly in cool night temperatures, can cause dangerous levels of CO2 close to the ground -- enough to suffocate livestock.


Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17938 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:20 am to
It is amazing how many people think CO2 is bad and dont understand the red line on this image:

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:24 am to
Is the frequency of volcanic eruptions increasing or is the technology to detect the eruptions simply better?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:26 am to
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The part of the answer climate alarmists want to ignore:
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Volcanoes and volcanic regions alone outgas an estimated 280-360 million tonnes (0.28 to 0.36 Gt) of CO2 per year.
Human activity emits 100 times more, about 35 Gt.

You can argue whether atmospheric CO2 is a bad thing or not, but volcanic emissions are ignored because they're insignificant.
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 10:27 am
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:27 am to
Because it is all theater. China and India are the only ones who can actually make a dent in the trend and they have no intention in doing so.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259604 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:28 am to
quote:

I don’t see shite being done in China, India and other countries that look like they are putting forth any effort.


The underlying theme of climate change is to elevate developing nations and restrict developed nations. Global socialism.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37388 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:29 am to
Because nobody outside the west gives two shits about the environment.

As dirty as the Mississippi River is, I’d gladly drink from it untreated than drink treated water from almost any major river in India, China, Northern Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Vietnam, and a host of other countries.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:30 am to
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51788 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:31 am to
Because China and India average bringing one new coal powered plant online per week.
Posted by GeauxHouston
Houston,TX
Member since Nov 2013
4361 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:31 am to
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I don’t see shite being done in China,

To be fair they have made huge strides in renewable energy. But they already pollute so damn much due to the demands of their massive population it’s hard to see any results.
The bad thing is however is their spread to other nations to harvest minerals and oil. China and India just have too many people to restrict carbon usage without a massive fallout.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37388 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:34 am to
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quote:I don’t see shite being done in China,

To be fair they have made huge strides in renewable energy.


quote:

Because China and India average bringing one new coal powered plant online per week.


You can’t be serious?

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China and India just have too many people to restrict carbon usage without a massive fallout.

Every single country outside of Iceland has too many people to restrict carbon usage without a massive fallout
This post was edited on 8/4/22 at 10:36 am
Posted by BilltheTiger
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2013
1030 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:37 am to
quote:

Volcanoes and volcanic regions alone outgas an estimated 280-360 million tonnes (0.28 to 0.36 Gt) of CO2 per year.
Human activity emits 100 times more, about 35 Gt.


Please cite your source for this statement.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5700 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:39 am to
Because co2 trends with temperature and not the other way around?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118550 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:40 am to
quote:

In many world regions, tectonic outgassing (emissions from mountain belts and other plate boundaries), particularly in cool night temperatures, can cause dangerous levels of CO2 close to the ground -- enough to suffocate livestock.


I just want to make a simple scientific observation about this comment. CO2 hugs the ground because it is the heaviest constituent in the atmosphere:

Nitrogen (N2): molecular weight 28.
Oxygen (O2): molecular weight 32.
Argon (Ar): Atomic weight 40.
Carbon dioxide (CO2): molecular weight 44.
Water vapor (H20): molecular weight 18.

I include water vapor in the list to show that it is the lightest of the major atmospheric constituents and the fact that it is the lightest allows it to rise, change phase (condense) and rain.

CO2 is the heaviest and migrates to the lowest elevations. That's why plants tend to grow really well at low elevations.
Posted by GeauxHouston
Houston,TX
Member since Nov 2013
4361 posts
Posted on 8/4/22 at 10:40 am to
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You can’t be serious?

They lead the world in renewable energy investment and have a higher % of power generation by renewables than the US.
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