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re: What is up with BR area rich kids going to school at U of Alabama?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:40 pm to Wario Balotelli
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:40 pm to Wario Balotelli
ive spent a good amount of time on college campuses. the average college student at a large state university isnt worried about what is going on at the art galleries or the museum. they have to entice the students there with free food or extra credit for an art class for examples
like genro said, youre looking at this from an adult perspective
like genro said, youre looking at this from an adult perspective
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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short of geographical limitations/advantages, what is BR missing?
Depends on who you're trying to attract I suppose, but art is one, an original music scene another, places to hang out like local coffee shops, a vibrant downtown with life, and generally a place to be enriched through things not just taught in the classroom but practiced in the community. Safe, affordable, and dependable public transit. Bike paths, and a bike friendly community. Sidewalks, a local affordable kick arse food scene, some of which Baton Rouge has a sprinkle of here and there, and some it has almost none of.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:46 pm to Deactived
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like genro said, youre looking at this from an adult perspective
I freely admit that, but having the referential experience of other "college" towns makes me skeptical of any claim that either town is a "good" college town.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:51 pm to Wario Balotelli
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skeptical of any claim that either town is a "good" college town.
if you believe there is a single type of "good college town" then yes, it isn't. i think you and mike are looking at this through the perspective of the cliched/typical college town
like i said, for me personally, i would have blown my brains out. if you want a southern/greek experience, you should go ole miss or bama over LSU for sure. if you want an actual urban college experience, none of the schools being discussed are candidates
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:55 pm to LSUGrad9295
It isn't just BR really. More than half the incoming class is from out of state now. Alabama kids are the minority.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you believe there is a single type of "good college town" then yes, it isn't. i think you and mike are looking at this through the perspective of the cliched/typical college town
I didn't mean to imply a type. What makes a good college town for me differs from your definition, obviously. I have lived in places worse than BR and Ttown, and plenty of places better. But I place value on certain things over others, and there are certainly people who value the same things I do. It's not exactly rare. I also didn't mean to ignore the sports culture of each city, which is fantastic. In this case, your average fall Saturday in those towns is probably better than the towns I mentioned. For me the perfect town that balances all of this well is Athens. fricking love that city.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:08 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Outside of sports at the respective universities, and dealing only with the two cities, what are the awesome activities in those two cities that would make for awesome college experiences?
There is absolutely no good duck hunting around T-town. Lots of guys travel to the Sip to satisfy that urge. Definite edge goes to BR in that regard.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:10 pm to Wario Balotelli
Austin, Texas is a great city. If I didn't go to LSU, Austin would be my first choice. That city has everything going for it.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
The same places I was going to some 30 odd years ago, people are still going to, and that would be a really great thing if those same areas were somewhat safe as they were back then, and they aren't, and that comes with abandoning your city and not investing in it, overbuilding pre fab BS, and letting areas become cesspools because they have to find occupant and you've overbuilt the shite out of the place. Those who do try to invest back are often fighting a losing battle for all the others who threw in the towel long ago having been ingrained in the suburban and quick answer temporary mindset, and milking those places. Some of those places we went to are not there anymore, and have become the hood that is encroaching on the gates on Nicholson and Highland and has been since those days. Cities that value their urban areas and their community don't do that because it matters too much to ever let it get to that point. It's just to valuable, and too big to fail.
They are currently trying to fight it, but the answers are slow in coming, and hollow in handing them over to chains rather than building ownership in it through the local community, so as to have a long term vested interest in the area BY the local community. That makes it important and worth investing in in the future when it's not so shiny anymore. It's become our answer to everything... Quick short term answers to big issues. You can find it in our zoning, our construction and lack of codes that make sense, and our roads and traffic. Everything is slap it up, knee jerk reactions rather than deliberate planning like we want to stay in the same area in 30 to 50 years from now. Build shite that matters, and it matters. Get locals involved and it takes on even more importance to the community.
They are currently trying to fight it, but the answers are slow in coming, and hollow in handing them over to chains rather than building ownership in it through the local community, so as to have a long term vested interest in the area BY the local community. That makes it important and worth investing in in the future when it's not so shiny anymore. It's become our answer to everything... Quick short term answers to big issues. You can find it in our zoning, our construction and lack of codes that make sense, and our roads and traffic. Everything is slap it up, knee jerk reactions rather than deliberate planning like we want to stay in the same area in 30 to 50 years from now. Build shite that matters, and it matters. Get locals involved and it takes on even more importance to the community.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:24 pm to MWP
Everytime I leave Ttown and go by the Sipsey I've always thought it has to old some ducks late in the season
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:25 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
Athens or Ann Arbor for me if I were to pick a college town.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:36 pm to genro
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Fact 1: Alabama is a somewhat better school than LSU academically Fact 2: In the real world, the academic difference is marginal at best. They're both viewed as big average flagship schools. They're in the same class. Higher than Troy or La Tech, lower than UNC or UVA.
During my last internship at a Law firm they had a guy from Bama. All they asked us was how awesome is football at Alabama and how fricked up do we get at LSU/do we party on bourbon a lot. No one outside of Bama even cares about their US News ranking. Both schools are exactly the same to almost everyone I'd say.
And to people saying you can't get a true college experience in BR, you're doing it wrong.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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baton rouge isn't my favorite town either, but you don't have that many legit medium-sized (over 150k pop, under 1M metro) towns with a legit/major university, either. orlando, tampa, and a variety of places in cali?
Madison, Boulder, Ann Arbor, Lexington, Austin (of course)
Eta my big problem with BR is, it seems to be one of the most self-consciously limiting places I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:58 pm to Y.A. Tittle
ok well i didn't realize those cities were that big...but all of those except lexington are almost impossible to get into
i don't disagree
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Eta my big problem with BR is, it seems to be one of the most self-consciously limiting places I've ever seen.
i don't disagree
Posted on 2/24/14 at 8:59 pm to Paul Allen
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The same could be asked about Houston area kids going to LSU.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
All their metro areas are about comparable to BR and their ease to get into is all relative. Each is their state school that corresponds to what LSU is.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:04 pm to Wario Balotelli
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There is very little cultural difference in the move anywhere across the south, in my opinion, having lived in BR and Ttown for the last ten years and not originally being from the South. Because they are so closely related, minuscule differences seem large when in fact they are not.
You're missing the tons of friends you wouldn't have made elsewhere and the new experiences of college life in a new town. I think it's fair to say nobody goes to out of home state SEC schools for the "cultural experiences"
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:21 pm to Ed Osteen
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You're missing the tons of friends you wouldn't have made elsewhere and the new experiences of college life in a new town.
Couldn't you make an argument for the tons of friends you wouldn't have made by not attending LSU, and if you return home to find employment, would be a non factor in helping you find employment because you never knew them in school?
I'm not making an argument for it, but saying that it's a pretty weak argument for going elsewhere to school unless and perhaps you choose to make the other town or community your new home.
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I think it's fair to say nobody goes to out of home state SEC schools for the "cultural experiences"
SEC schools? Probably a lot of truth to that.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and in terms of meeting people. i'd rather live in a city of 350k people in order to meet new people than a college town of 20-30k students only
Years ago I would have agreed with you on this but after living in Oxford changed my mimd. I didn't think I would enjoy such a small population but ended up loving it. It was easy to identify myself with similar students but still gave me plenty opportunities to befriend others. I enjoyed getting to really know the decent sized groups of people that I partied with weekly while also having countless opportunities to befriend people outside of my circle go good friends
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:33 pm to Mike da Tigah
Yes, you are right to a certain degree. Moving to a Different place for college has many more advantages as far as networking and new experiences.
Agree with you for the most part but I, but I'm not seeing how
How I.m making new contacts and where the returning home for employment comes into play? I graduated ole miss, moved to Houston (miserable) and recently found myself in NOLA working my dream job. My college friends or even acquaintances had next to zero in terms of my future professions
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I'm not making an argument for it, but saying that it's a pretty weak argument for going elsewhere to school unless and perhaps you choose to make the other town or community your new home.
Agree with you for the most part but I, but I'm not seeing how
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Couldn't you make an argument for the tons of friends you wouldn't have made by not attending LSU, and if you return home to find employment, would be a non factor in helping you find employment because you never knew them in school?
How I.m making new contacts and where the returning home for employment comes into play? I graduated ole miss, moved to Houston (miserable) and recently found myself in NOLA working my dream job. My college friends or even acquaintances had next to zero in terms of my future professions
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