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re: What is up with BR area rich kids going to school at U of Alabama?

Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:46 pm to
Posted by genro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:46 pm to
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That being, if you want to leave the state for school in order to experience life, then maybe doing it away from the same thing you already know is better than going to Tuscaloosa or Oxford.
I don't think they do. I think they want to go to a big state party school, just not the one they've lived in their whole lives.


Now I agree with you, and I got away. I went from north Florida to west Philadelphia. But basically you're disparaging everyone who didn't do that. Literally everyone who went to a university in the same region they grew up in, is open to the same criticism.
Posted by Govt Tide
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:49 pm to
On the one hand you talk about how one should experience something different yet you single out Alabama and Ole Miss as poor choices for this. Is it those specific schools who have nothing to offer or are you arguing against leaving the state for any SEC school except maybe UGA or Vandy? Just trying to see where you're coming from.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:49 pm to
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But basically you're disparaging everyone who didn't do that.



No, actually, I'm not. I'm stating a fact that if you limit your life experiences and that which you expose yourself to this particular region of the country, on this particular spot on a map, then you don't become as well rounded as those who do. That's not being a meanie. It's just stating a fact that anyone who's traveled and lived elsewhere can attest to with complete certainty.

Posted by genro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:51 pm to
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No, actually, I'm not. I'm stating a fact that if you limit your life experiences and that which you expose yourself to this particular region of the country, on this particular spot on a map, then you don't become as well rounded as those who do.
Right. But that would comprise the vast majority of students at LSU. Or any other public schools. And a lot of private schools.

So I don't know why youre singling out the few who go to Ole Miss or Bama
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:52 pm to
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On the one hand you talk about how one should experience something different yet you single out Alabama and Ole Miss as poor choices for this.


Because that's what the thread is about thick as a brick, the people who leave Louisiana to experience life in Tuscaloosa and Oxford.

You need to work harder at what is really making you mad.
Posted by Wario Balotelli
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:54 pm to
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what makes a good college town?



A multitude of things that you usually would expect in college towns, like coffee shops, art galleries, museums, nice outdoor spaces, bars, restaurants, music venues, diners, excellent public transport, but also, and importantly for me, there has to be a certain energy that the town can create. BR and Ttown have their nice areas, but those cities aren't designed in such a way as to take advantage of a young, energetic population. The city planning in each city is extremely poor, which is not to say they don't do other things better than some of the other places I listed. And I really think both cities have an infrastructure in place take advantage of that population, but in Ttown (I haven't been in Baton Rouge since 2008), they insist on building cookie-cutter condo after cookie-cutter condo, with no thought of how it fits into the grander scheme of the city.

Obviously I don't think any of you will believe me if I insist that BR and Ttown are on the lower tiers of college towns, but in my experience they are.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:55 pm to
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Right. But that would comprise the vast majority of students at LSU. Or any other public schools. And a lot of private schools.

So I don't know why youre singling out the few who go to Ole Miss or Bama


Because the thread evolved into not only the U of Alabama in the subject line, but those also going to Oxford from this state.


Jesus H

Posted by Govt Tide
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:55 pm to
I think the counter argument to that is that you don't have to go that route during your 4-5 college years. If you come from a wealthy family and have the financial means you can just as easily "explore" the country/world right after college. That's what I did briefly after college. Lived in Colorado for a while. I have another friend that chose to stay close to home and go to Auburn that graduated and lived in Washington DC for several years. Had another fraternity brother at Alabama from Atlanta that lived and worked in Cleveland for several years after graduating. Had another frat brother from Gadsden that moved to LA shortly after graduating.

You don't have to necessarily use your 4 college years to experience the world or broaden your horizons. In fact, right after college is a better time imho especially if you grew up rich.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:58 pm to
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A multitude of things that you usually would expect in college towns, like coffee shops, art galleries, museums, nice outdoor spaces, bars, restaurants, music venues, diners, excellent public transport, but also, and importantly for me, there has to be a certain energy that the town can create. BR and Ttown have their nice areas, but those cities aren't designed in such a way as to take advantage of a young, energetic population. The city planning in each city is extremely poor, which is not to say they don't do other things better than some of the other places I listed. And I really think both cities have an infrastructure in place take advantage of that population, but in Ttown (I haven't been in Baton Rouge since 2008), they insist on building cookie-cutter condo after cookie-cutter condo, with no thought of how it fits into the grander scheme of the city.

Obviously I don't think any of you will believe me if I insist that BR and Ttown are on the lower tiers of college towns, but in my experience they are.



This poster gets it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 6:59 pm to
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Obviously I don't think any of you will believe me if I insist that BR and Ttown are on the lower tiers of college towns,

i don't know anything about T-Town

Baton Rouge is a medium-sized metro area

when i think of "college town" it's a very small (ignoring student population) town that dies in the summer and over christmas. BR has all of the objective things you listed ("coffee shops, art galleries, museums, nice outdoor spaces, bars, restaurants, music venues, diners,") except for maybe transport...but LSU's isn't that bad (esp for a southern city)
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:00 pm to
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The same could be asked about Houston area kids going to LSU.

Not really because most kids from Texas can't get into UTa or aTm.

Almost every rich white kid from Louisiana can get into LSU.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:04 pm to
Tuscaloosa has all those things as well, and public transit. I'm on the Crimson Ride every day, along with thousands of other students; it's excellent.


Tuscaloosa/BR are not Portland or Austin. That is true. But if you spend 4 years of your life from 18-22 at LSU or Alabama, and you don't have an awesome time, the problem is you, not the city.
Posted by GeorgeReymond
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:05 pm to
I agree
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:06 pm to
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But if you spend 4 years of your life from 18-22 at LSU or Alabama, and you don't have an awesome time, the problem is you, not the city.


i agree

i'd have lost my mind had i gone to the cliche'd "college town", i reckon
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:08 pm to
I only do that to posters I like :)
Posted by Wario Balotelli
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:11 pm to
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when i think of "college town" it's a very small (ignoring student population) town that dies in the summer and over christmas. BR has all of the objective things you listed ("coffee shops, art galleries, museums, nice outdoor spaces, bars, restaurants, music venues, diners,") except for maybe transport...but LSU's isn't that bad (esp for a southern city)



It isn't that good either. There's a real discontinuity in the city as a whole. The LSU area is nice but lacks cohesion. Baton Rouge isn't that great of a city. Having lived and been elsewhere in this country, I wouldn't live there again.
Posted by Harvey the Rabbit
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:14 pm to
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Cant speak for the BR kids, but as a Bama student from a good New Orleans school, a good deal of kids from my graduating class went to Bama, Georgia, and Ole Miss. I know almost everyone I graduated with got into LSU, but I know the ones that left just didnt want to go to Baton Rouge with 90% of our graduating class, and these other schools are very similar to LSU in terms of football team, greek life, huge campus, pretty women, etc. Gives an SEC school experience without feeling like your just going to high school again an hour down the road
Same exact story here plus Alabama chicks love Nola guys
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:14 pm to
baton rouge isn't my favorite town either, but you don't have that many legit medium-sized (over 150k pop, under 1M metro) towns with a legit/major university, either. orlando, tampa, and a variety of places in cali?
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:18 pm to
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quote:
when i think of "college town" it's a very small (ignoring student population) town that dies in the summer and over christmas. BR has all of the objective things you listed ("coffee shops, art galleries, museums, nice outdoor spaces, bars, restaurants, music venues, diners,") except for maybe transport...but LSU's isn't that bad (esp for a southern city)


It isn't that good either. There's a real discontinuity in the city as a whole. The LSU area is nice but lacks cohesion. Baton Rouge isn't that great of a city. Having lived and been elsewhere in this country, I wouldn't live there again.


I don't intend this as a criticism of the BR as a city, because I would live there full time (post-college) before I live in Oxford or Tuscaloosa hands down, but I find the immediate area surrounding LSU to be severely lacking as a college area. The North gate area and the Walk Ons area (whatever thats called) are about it and hardly sprawling with great options. There's really no charm to it. I mean you have Chimes and Varsity and a block later the hood. If just want to get wasted and laid Tigerland does the trick but that area is a complete shithole, as well.
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 7:20 pm
Posted by Wario Balotelli
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:18 pm to
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Tuscaloosa has all those things as well, and public transit. I'm on the Crimson Ride every day, along with thousands of other students; it's excellent.


The only place to get coffee on the strip is TCBY, otherwise you have to go to the campus Starbucks, a place devoid of any soul. There is an awful "coffee shop" next to Five, and really shitty restaurants and shops (Epiphany is good). There's two art galleries which rarely have new shows, and there is a new cultural center. The Bama theater is nice, and I'm glad that we have some breweries starting up. Crimson Ride needs to be better to curb all the morons who insist on driving a half mile or less to class. It's fricking ridiculous. And the rebuilding effort after the tornado has just been shameful. Condo after fricking condo. It wasn't a surprise they couldn't fill them.

All these places are fine. It's just that there are colleges and towns that offer so much more.

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Tuscaloosa/BR are not Portland or Austin. That is true. But if you spend 4 years of your life from 18-22 at LSU or Alabama, and you don't have an awesome time, the problem is you, not the city.



Dude, I've had an awesome time in both cities. Have tons of friends that I keep in touch with. But objectively Ttown and BR just aren't very good. I've seen much worse college towns, and I've seen a lot better. A lot lot better.
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