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re: Tomb of Jesus dated for first time, built far earlier than originally believed

Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:17 am to
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:17 am to
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It’s really not

Faith in something unseen, unproveable. Yeah it's the same except your God is some scientist(s) making ridiculous extrapolations of studies and data and circle jerking each other to be "peer reviewed".

Bitch, Please. Let anyone examine you and see what the "factual" basis of your secular beliefs are and you'll be sputtering and making excuses quickly.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19973 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:37 am to
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history book that was written back then?


the bible is as much a history book as the iliad
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19973 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:40 am to
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you'll just as easily believe some string of theories and studies by people you don't know and won't ever know


any proofs that gain the status of a scientific theory have been challenged by thousands of scientists all over the world. maybe you should look up what a scientific theory is, it's not simply an idea.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37520 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 12:49 am to
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maybe you should look up what a scientific theory is, it's not simply an idea.

Tell me yours. You can't without significant googling, wikiing, etc and even then could be shredded by any in depth analysis. Either on your beliefs or even the source itself. It's this entire facade that secularists have built up, or moreso joined or tried to adopt.
You're not fooling anyone.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
25257 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 1:27 am to
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t your God is some scientist(s) making ridiculous extrapolations of studies and data and circle jerking each other to be "peer reviewed".


holy shite this guy doesnt believe in science

Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
19973 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:32 am to
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Faith in something unseen, unproveable. Yeah it's the same except your God is some scientist(s) making ridiculous extrapolations of studies and data and circle jerking each other to be "peer reviewed".


No, it’s literally not faith. It’s called evidence. You have to see t and touch it in order to make a hypothesis, and others try to falsify it to determine if it is worth the status of theory. Science doesn’t attempt, nor can it, answer that which t has no evidence for. In that case, I’m perfectly fine with saying I don’t know, instead of believing in something that’s objectively nonsense just because it’s there.

Nothing significant within the Bible is actually provable and all of what can be has been falsified. There is literally no evidence that Jews were ever slaves in Egypt, and the Egyptians kept records at that time.

There is also no evidence, nor contemporary writing that Jesus actually existed. Don’t be afraid to embrace reality.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37690 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:39 am to
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history book as the iliad


You do know that they found Troy VII(a) in the 80s right? And this excavation site has been widely declared to be the city of Troy from the iliad.

Now, am I saying the iliad is 100% true? Absolutely not. But to say that there wasn't a war between the city of Troy and the Greeks in which the city of Troy was destroyed, which was the foundation that the iliad was built upon is just silly.

Just like the Bible. Is it 100% true and real? frick no. But to act as if it's 100% made up is just being disingenuous.

Edit: haven't been to church in YEARS and I look at the bible more as a grownup version of aesops fables. Just little stories and caveats about how to live a peaceful and fulfilling life. Be kind, etc. So I'm not some Bible thumping lunatic.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 2:43 am
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10192 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 2:48 am to
There is independent verification of the existence of Jesus, and it is generally accepted by historians and biblical scholars that he is a historical figure. While there are some who consider all such independent verifications as interpolations, this is not a widely held view.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
88703 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:07 am to
When did we find the tomb of Jesus?
Posted by engvol
england
Member since Sep 2009
5306 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:32 am to
Is it just me that thinks it’s really ridiculous that Christians have built churches on all of these sacred sites?

I’m pretty sure there are churches at the locations where it is suspected he was crucified and born.

If I went i wouldn’t be going to visit a church I’d want to see the place
Posted by Chisholm
Member since Nov 2017
94 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:34 am to
So does this mean we can finally disprove Christianity in addition to the dozens of other religions that Christians have already ‘disproved’?
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11490 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 3:46 am to
No proof that the bible has any historical fact? Except for thousands of artifacts and ancient sites. Youtube a video touring Israel.

Athiest who put their faith in science sure don't do much research.
Posted by Chisholm
Member since Nov 2017
94 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 5:00 am to
I don’t deny that there was a mortal man Jesus (or some variation of that name since lost in the countless translations/changes to the Bible since it was written decades after his death) running around the Sinai performing neat tricks and gathering cult status.

But to make the leap that he was sent to Earth as the mortal embodiment of a white-bearded God that had existed for literally hundreds of millions of years without interacting with us seems a little odd to me.

Either way, I’m definitely a spiritual person, I just disagree that the meaning of life came to fruition only 2000 years ago, and anyone who disagrees will spend eternity in a large system of caves sweating their d**** off and getting reamed with hot spikes by a horned-goat boss.

Looks like science has once again helped prove my point.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68464 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:23 am to
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built far earlier than originally believed

Not really for a lot of us
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
14389 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:28 am to
What do you think I believe in that’s unseen and unprovable?
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34728 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:31 am to
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Y'all won't believe a scientist standing right in front of you, but you'll believe a book from thousands of years ago, that he didn't even write, with no proof of authenticity and no contemporaneous historical confirmations, whatsoever. 


You obviously don't desire serious conversation when you make completely absurd statements such as these.

Also, the tomb of Jesus should be wholly irrelevant (and not Holy relevant) to Christians. It was to his contemporary followers.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:31 am to
The average atheist knows far more about religion than the average christian. Usually they are atheist because of how well they know religion.

Edit: I spent years in a seminary.
This post was edited on 11/29/17 at 6:34 am
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69693 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:45 am to
Have a downvote a-hole
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
37520 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:01 am to
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No, it’s literally not faith. It’s called evidence.

No, it's called "best evidence" and it ends up being wrong all the time. And from the perspective of the average believer like you, it's completely a matter of faith. For example, you, like most secularists, don't believe in many things you accept because you actually researched studies and verified evidence, you just accept it at face value. That's called faith. Twist it however you want.

What's your theory on the creation of life?
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46248 posts
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:11 am to
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anyone who disagrees will spend eternity in a large system of caves sweating their d**** off and getting reamed with hot spikes by a horned-goat boss.
Good Lawd man, wtf kind of church did you go to where they they taught this shite?

Were these your pastors?
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