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re: The workforce shortage is real and ridiculous
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:19 pm to bee Rye
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:19 pm to bee Rye
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Yep. Out of our 14 employees, 8 have at least 15 years with us. That doesn’t happen if you are a shitty employer
Not every business wants a long term workforce. McDonlads doesn’t exist to make professional line cooks or cashiers
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Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:22 pm to CptRusty
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Wages weren't too low before the pandemic. "Supply and demand" will work just fine if the government stops sending people the equivalent of $15/hr.
Anyone besides me notice that's exactly what the govt wants the minimum wage to be? Yeah, I think they have a plan. Make all businesses out there pay at least $15 before they cut off the govt extra money.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:25 pm to Powerman
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Wages weren't too low before the pandemic. "Supply and demand" will work just fine if the government stops sending people the equivalent of $15/hr.
I believe you're going to be proven wrong on this note
A lot of people will refuse to work for low wages now
And honestly that's not a terrible thing
Ok, they can refuse to work. However, my tax dollars should not subsidize them. That's the real issue. You choose to not work at a low paying job? Ok, but don't expect me to pay.
People who work hard don't stay in the entry level job forever. They get raises. They get experience and apply for better jobs. It's entry level for a reason!
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:47 pm to thadcastle
Very similar experiences. My wife and I have been traveling around the country for the past three months. Every place we’ve been from California, Oregon, to Montana, to Wyoming, to Arizona is experiencing the same staffing shortages.
Hell, we spent four nights at a luxury ranch in Wyoming. Five-star resort. Even they can’t find employees, and they have a pretty much unlimited budget.
I’ve been to multiple restaurants that are still doing 50% seating capacity, not because it’s a government mandate, but because they simply don’t have the front of house or back of house staff necessary for 100% capacity. Most everywhere we’ve been it would be recommendable to get reservations for dinner. Even if the place isn’t that nice. Many of them simply cannot seat walkins.
We’ve seen lots of fast food places that are only allowing drive-through because they don’t have enough staff to work the lobby.
I played golf at Bandon Dunes. They can’t find enough caddies.
It’s affecting every part of the service industry from the top of the line to the bottom of the barrel.
Hell, we spent four nights at a luxury ranch in Wyoming. Five-star resort. Even they can’t find employees, and they have a pretty much unlimited budget.
I’ve been to multiple restaurants that are still doing 50% seating capacity, not because it’s a government mandate, but because they simply don’t have the front of house or back of house staff necessary for 100% capacity. Most everywhere we’ve been it would be recommendable to get reservations for dinner. Even if the place isn’t that nice. Many of them simply cannot seat walkins.
We’ve seen lots of fast food places that are only allowing drive-through because they don’t have enough staff to work the lobby.
I played golf at Bandon Dunes. They can’t find enough caddies.
It’s affecting every part of the service industry from the top of the line to the bottom of the barrel.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:48 pm to dyslexiateechur
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My youngest went looking for a job and literally couldn’t get one. I guess people aren’t that hard up.
Your kid is bullshitting you. My sister-in-law who is in college just got a job at the beach working the front desk at a condo. They gave her $1000 just to start.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:51 pm to PaperTiger
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You don't need 20 people to work for McDonalds to have it running efficiently.
Even for a very busy one you would only need 7 people tops.
1 Window 1 register
2 Line/prep
1 Fryer/grill
1 Window 2 expo
1 Front register
1 Manager to do front expo and help stations that need it
Anymore and they would just start getting in the way of each other. They will run one pretty effectively with only 3 people when they automate the payment and order process. Easy to pay 15 an hour at that point.
When people demand high minimum wages they are really saying "Automate my job!". They just don't know it.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:51 pm to thadcastle
Robots incoming.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 1:57 pm to UncleLester
quote:Thanks Uncle, I never realized that's what was going on when I see the last few remnants of maskers in public.
Also, if you notice, one demographic in particular continues to wear masks everyday. That is a directive from their leadership (i.e. Reverends) that want them to continue to push the narrative that “life is not normal” and that some people will need prolonged additional benefits in these “unprecedented times”. It doesn’t financially benefit these “local leaders” if everyone perception-wise thinks the Covid issue is behind us and additional benefits should cease (which impact their tithes).
Posted on 6/14/21 at 2:11 pm to Eighteen
quote:well sure. But my entrance into this thread was explaining how the problem isn’t just with low skilled labor, the workplace shortage permeates all levels of positions and pay
Not every business wants a long term workforce. McDonlads doesn’t exist to make professional line cooks or cashiers
Posted on 6/14/21 at 2:16 pm to mule74
I went with her. She’s 15, so that was prob the issue but you’d think if these places were truly hard hit that wouldn’t matter so much.
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:12 am to HempHead
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It's so bad here that they will pay a dishwasher $19 an hour and provide housing assistance.
Oh no the dishwasher who’s probably busting his arse is making good money and has a nice place to live!
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:30 am to dyslexiateechur
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I went with her. She’s 15, so that was prob the issue but you’d think if these places were truly hard hit that wouldn’t matter so much.
Well she still has to have 5 years experience for an entry level job.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:46 am to RT1941
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. Now they'll have no choice if they want a roof over their heads, a cellphone in their hands and food on the table.
Sec 8, Obamaphones and SNAP.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:03 am to jimbeam
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But Universal Basic Income!!
UBI is a great idea. In this example, it empowers labor force to not take shite jobs for shite pay and no benefits.
What we are seeing is people being given an option to not allow themselves to be crushed by the boot of poverty and big corporations. I applaud it.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 7:07 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:20 am to TDTOM
I'm sure you think so.
Sorry your wait times at Cracker Barrel are longer.
Sorry your wait times at Cracker Barrel are longer.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:36 am to thadcastle
Right now is the prime opportunity to bust your arse and make a name for yourself with the boss. When no one else wants to work hard and take the lead, be that person. It eventually pays off.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:40 am to thadcastle
Basically any job paying under $20 an hour is having trouble hiring.
Why work when you can get free benefits equal to $14/ hour and sit on your arse
Why work when you can get free benefits equal to $14/ hour and sit on your arse
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:42 am to thadcastle
Dining rooms at fast food places are closed because of staff shortages, not Covid.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:47 am to Hulkklogan
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it empowers labor force to not take shite jobs for shite pay and no benefits.
Some of those shot jobs for shite pay are required for basic society to function, like food processing and packaging.
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What we are seeing is people being given an option to not allow themselves to be crushed by the boot of poverty and big corporations. I applaud it.
While I understand you’re talking about Tyson chicken and McDonald’s, it’s also crushing independent restaurants, small retail stores, and virtually any company reliant upon unskilled manual labor.
Without this test run in UBI, the value these people bring is very low and their pay reflected that, however the jobs were still necessary, just easy to do. Now with this mini version of UBI, we are seeing prices go up because everyone now has a base income regardless of skill and value.
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