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re: The workforce shortage is real and ridiculous
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:31 am to bee Rye
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:31 am to bee Rye
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I don’t see how you could factor in the price increases in copper, lumber, steel and PVC over the last 6-9 months and still win any bids
Depends on the structure of the business/cotracts. If you have quotes out, you're usually fine, at least for 30 days. Longer out, good luck.
The volatility of commodity pricing makes it a shite show right now. Now, add labor volatility.
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Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:31 am to Powerman
Not surprising. Almost none of the OT libs admit to being libs.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:35 am to The Spleen
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Seems a lot of restaurant workers felt incredibly better while not working last year and realized the toll restaurant work took on their bodies and many have decided to pursue other careers.
This is incredibly stupid and not surprising you are parroting it. It's not the "toll" on their bodies but their fragile, ignorant, lazy minds in the fact they actually have to work for a living. Of course they felt better getting to sit on their asses and collect a check, it's exactly the kind of life most of these dullards want. They want to live at an easy minimum standard, the basics met with an absolute minimum of effort.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:35 am to Powerman
quote:Our GC has had labor issues for months on 2 government projects resulting in several delays in completion. These jobs were bid in Nov '19, had to go back to the table with revised cost estimates due to increased materials cost. People won't freaking work - Subs can't get dependable laborers on-site half the damn time which screws up the schedule altogether. It's frustrating as hell.
No problem at all getting labor. We have some big things coming up that will prove to be challenging but that would be in any market.
We take this into account at bid time
But material costs have absolutely skyrocketed
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:36 am to bee Rye
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I don’t see how you could factor in the price increases in copper, lumber, steel and PVC over the last 6-9 months and still win any bids
Because the competition is bidding with the same pricing
Are you fricking stupid or something?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:36 am to Clames
I'm sure you've done your research and talked to these workers to come to your conclusion.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:37 am to dyslexiateechur
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My youngest went looking for a job and literally couldn’t get one. I guess people aren’t that hard up.
So that's what he told you, huh?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:37 am to BluegrassBelle
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Just out of curiosity, is it only part-time with no other benefits? Or full-time with benefits?
Full time. Health insurance.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:38 am to The Spleen
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I'm sure you've done your research and talked to these workers to come to your conclusion.
Where is your evidence? You claim these people choose different careers because of the wear/tear on their bodies.
Link?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:41 am to Powerman
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Because the competition is bidding with the same pricing Are you fricking stupid or something?
You said you factored in increases at bid time, which were unknown and astronomical. So you are gonna sit here and tell me your magic 8 ball told you that some materials would escalate by over 240% in a 6 month period, that you factored that in at bid time months in advance and still landed the contract?
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:42 am to bee Rye
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We take this into account at bid time
quote:You can't. You go back to the table and work through the increased material costs with the client. IF they understand the issues of the day they will work with you, amend the contract to adjust for increased cost in materials.
I don’t see how you could factor in the price increases in copper, lumber, steel and PVC over the last 6-9 months and still win any bids
If the client refuses to budge then you lose the contract and wish them well finding a new builder who will do the job for less.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You claim
I didn't make the claim. I relayed what was reported on a researched article.
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Link?
Chicago Tribune
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:43 am to thadcastle
More news at 10
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:43 am to RT1941
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You can't. You go back to the table and work through the increased material costs with the client. IF they understand the issues of the day they will work with you, amend the contract to adjust for increased cost in materials.
If the client refuses to budge then you lose the contract and wish them well finding a new builder who will do the job for less.
That’s wha I am getting at. No way they were factored in during the bid process
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:43 am to thadcastle
Socialist commies dream world.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:43 am to thadcastle
stop paying people to sit at home
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:45 am to bee Rye
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You said you factored in increases, which were unknown and astronomical. So you are gonna sit here and tell me your magic 8 ball told you that some materials would escalate by over 240% in a 6 month period, that you factored that in at bid time months in advance and still landed the contract?
Now you're really being stupid. If you knew anything at all about this type of work you would know that you would clarify the copper base at bid time and include a copper escalation clause in the contract.
I guess you could be really stupid and NOT do that but that wouldn't be very prudent
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:45 am to bee Rye
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That’s wha I am getting at. No way they were factored in during the bid process
Escalation clause moron
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:47 am to bee Rye
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You can't. You go back to the table and work through the increased material costs with the client. IF they understand the issues of the day they will work with you, amend the contract to adjust for increased cost in materials.
If the client refuses to budge then you lose the contract and wish them well finding a new builder who will do the job for less.
quote:You're correct. No company saw this astronomical increase in materials coming 9 months ago. We've amended many contracts since last October and luckily our clients have agreed to increase the contract amount while understanding these are difficult times.
That’s wha I am getting at. No way they were factored in during the bid process
Posted on 6/14/21 at 10:47 am to Powerman
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Powerman
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moron
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