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re: The future looks like a PITA
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:25 pm to stout
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:25 pm to stout
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I wonder what will happen next time there is gridlock during an evacuation and cars run out of power. Yes, I know gas cars do this too but again easier to bring a gas can to a car than power to an electric car.
You realize the math has already been done on this right?
Today’s EV’s barely lose any range when “idling”. Even with the AC on.
And you’re ignoring that you don’t need someone to “bring power to you” in the exceedingly rare event that you run out of charge on the road. If you tow an EV like a tesla, the battery will recharge as a result. People have reported that they’ve gotten about 10 miles of range for every mile of towing. A pain in the arse, but don’t see how that’s any less of a pain than walking the (likely) several miles to get a gas can to your stranded car.
Regardless, running out of gas or running out of battery is incredibly rare even in an evac situation. Sure it happens every whenever there’s a storm, but I’m not basing any decisions off of the handful of drivers that run out versus the tens/hundreds of thousands that don’t.
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Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You're only talking about worst possible case scenarios
Sure. I don't like being unprepared.
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Most people buy a vehicle that fits their lifestyle.
Yes, which is why my wife went with the Prius over a Tesla. She liked the Tesla but the Prius made more sense when all factors were considered.
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:35 pm to stout
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Sure. I don't like being unprepared
Bro you bought a jeep gladiator as your road trip vehicle (about 18 mpg hwy). Don’t play this shite
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:39 pm to stout
quote:But the weird thing is many, yourself included, certainly argue intentionally in a manner that is entirely inconsistent.
Yes, which is why my wife went with the Prius over a Tesla. She liked the Tesla but the Prius made more sense when all factors were considered.
In every Tesla thread, many come in an argue for very specific reasons why they'd never own one so that automatically means they're stupid.
But I never see those same people go into a thread about a regular gas powered vehicle and completely bash it because it doesn't have enough, say, space or towing power so therefore to4 car is completely stupid and useless since it doesn't work for them.
It's disingenuous at best, and I'm 100% certain you know that
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:46 pm to shel311
I think there are plenty of useless vehicles on the market
The reaction you are describing has only recently been heightened due to the push to go green and what seems to be an attack on fossil fuels by the current administration.
If it were simply drive electric if you want to then that would be one thing but when you have people like Buttigieg telling people to simply buy an electric vehicle instead of bitching about gas prices then all that does is make electric cars more of a target for hate and resentment
There are other factors but it's not as simple as you are trying to make it.
The reaction you are describing has only recently been heightened due to the push to go green and what seems to be an attack on fossil fuels by the current administration.
If it were simply drive electric if you want to then that would be one thing but when you have people like Buttigieg telling people to simply buy an electric vehicle instead of bitching about gas prices then all that does is make electric cars more of a target for hate and resentment
There are other factors but it's not as simple as you are trying to make it.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:49 pm to stout
quote:Useless for you. An EV isn't remotely useless. That's the point.
I think there are plenty of useless vehicles on the market
quote:You're correct and it just speaks to how lost people are in the world today when it comes to politics. That shite has nothing to do with whether an EV is a good purchase or not. That can be a shitty push as an initiative and have zero to do with whether an EV is a "useless" car or not.
The reaction you are describing has only recently been heightened due to the push to go green and what seems to be an attack on fossil fuels by the current administration.
quote:So you admit that makes you lose all sense of reality when it comes to discussing how practical an EV is. I appreciate the honestly but that's just weird imo.
If it were simply drive electric if you want to then that would be one thing but when you have people like Buttigieg telling people to simply buy an electric vehicle instead of bitching about gas prices then all that does is make electric cars more of a target for hate and resentment
Posted on 8/1/22 at 5:57 pm to shel311
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So you admit that makes you lose all sense of reality when it comes to discussing how practical an EV is.
My argument is they still aren't that practical for a large part of the country. Not because of the car itself but rather infrastructure. That and better battery tech will come with time but there shouldn't be as hard of a push for people to switch as there is with the way things currently stand.
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I appreciate the honestly but that's just weird imo.
Most of the time the stuff I post is tongue in cheek. If you can't find the humor in an EV being pulled to a charging station by a diesel truck then you are humorless.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 6:01 pm to stout
quote:You don't think that a large part of the country are 2 car families where at least 2 car is mainly a daily commuter? That's odd as I think just about everyone would agree to that.
My argument is they still aren't that practical for a large part of the country.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 6:20 pm to shel311
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You don't think that a large part of the country are 2 car families where at least 2 car is mainly a daily commuter?
Even if they are, the overall majority can't currently afford a Tesla
Many families are about to be a one-car family too. The number of cars going into repo is starting to skyrocket
Posted on 8/1/22 at 6:45 pm to stout
quote:if the average price of a new car in America is more expensive than the starting price of the cheapest Tesla then why can't they afford the cheaper Tesla?
Even if they are, the overall majority can't currently afford a Tesla
Also, now make it any EV and not just Tesla. My point still stands. An EV is certainly a practical vehicle for the majority.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:00 pm to stout
Ok old man. Electricity has rescued many an ICE powered vehicle.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:27 pm to shel311
Well you better deliver. I was seriously asking?
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:34 pm to BayouBlitz
Here's my concern.
The scenario with a hurricane evacuation isn't just about people running out of juice on the road. It's everyone being able to power up to head out of town simultaneously.
If you've seen gas stations during evacuations, they move through a shite ton of people in relatively short order.
With EVs taking hours, I just don't see how that's gonna work.
The scenario with a hurricane evacuation isn't just about people running out of juice on the road. It's everyone being able to power up to head out of town simultaneously.
If you've seen gas stations during evacuations, they move through a shite ton of people in relatively short order.
With EVs taking hours, I just don't see how that's gonna work.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:47 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:I see it now, in the postseason you replied to.
Well you better deliver. I was seriously asking?
Stout has said a couple of of incorrect things in this thread.
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:52 pm to LSUgusto
quote:How much warning ahead of time do you have when a hurricane is coming? It's days at least.
With EVs taking hours, I just don't see how that's gonna work.
That and also the typical EV driver isn't "filling up" once per week when it gets to 1/4th of a tank. You start every day at 100% for most.
Point being, you likely already aren't running with less charge than a typical gas car has in gas, if you will, and you also have plenty of prep time to where most people won't need that many "hours" to charge.
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:58 pm to shel311
I dont read stout replies.
Posted on 8/1/22 at 8:25 pm to stout
No ICE has ever broken down or had any issues at all. Great post.
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