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re: Tesla to introduce car without steering wheel within 2 years
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:28 pm to TheFlyingTiger
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:28 pm to TheFlyingTiger
There will definitely be private roads, at least for a while if autonomous vehicles are mandated, most likely mandated first on interstates.
The issue with your utopian free society, there are negative externalities that aren't able to be over come with free market solutions.
In this case, there is finite land available to make two different sets of roads, and even if there were, the free market wouldn't be able to support the second set because there wouldn't be enough people to use them.
Situations like autonomous vehicles are where government needs to intervene and create a set standard for the benefit of society as a whole. If everyone participates, society as a whole greatly benefits from lower cost of vehicle ownership (reduced insurance, less fuel costs due to better traffic efficiency, car sharing, etc.l and significantly reduced fatalities.
Not even to mention what efficiency of travel will mean for humanity. Commuter trains and short air travel will be useless. Something the US is awful at anyway. Moving of goods and services will be greatly impacted in a more efficient way.
The benefits outweigh your need for control. And the negative externalities that your control brings by weighing down society.
The issue with your utopian free society, there are negative externalities that aren't able to be over come with free market solutions.
In this case, there is finite land available to make two different sets of roads, and even if there were, the free market wouldn't be able to support the second set because there wouldn't be enough people to use them.
Situations like autonomous vehicles are where government needs to intervene and create a set standard for the benefit of society as a whole. If everyone participates, society as a whole greatly benefits from lower cost of vehicle ownership (reduced insurance, less fuel costs due to better traffic efficiency, car sharing, etc.l and significantly reduced fatalities.
Not even to mention what efficiency of travel will mean for humanity. Commuter trains and short air travel will be useless. Something the US is awful at anyway. Moving of goods and services will be greatly impacted in a more efficient way.
The benefits outweigh your need for control. And the negative externalities that your control brings by weighing down society.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 12:29 pm
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Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:28 pm to KosmoCramer
wow best post you've ever made dude
you're evolving and it's good to see
you're evolving and it's good to see
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:29 pm to shel311
If I am not mistaken the model 3 still has a steering wheel and the driver can still control it, no?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
2 Elon Musk years is like 8 regular years, so 2027 sounds about right.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:30 pm to KosmoCramer
Utopia is an authoritarian term.
I advocate for the opposite.
Again. I dont need or want a daddy.
I advocate for the opposite.
Again. I dont need or want a daddy.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:31 pm to Janky
quote:Correct
If I am not mistaken the model 3 still has a steering wheel and the driver can still control it, no?
So your post about no one wanting specifically the one with no steering wheel was just made up then?
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:32 pm to slackster
quote:Pretty much
2 Elon Musk years is like 8 regular years, so 2027 sounds about right.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:32 pm to Janky
quote:
If I am not mistaken the model 3 still has a steering wheel and the driver can still control it, no?
It does.
What I dont understand is what situations do people think having a steering wheel in an autonomous vehicle will help? An independent mechical brake system would be most useful.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:34 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:Right. A few people posted about what if they had an emergency or the car caught on fire.
What I dont understand is what situations do people think having a steering wheel in an autonomous vehicle will help? An independent mechical brake system would be most useful.
A car not having a steering wheel does not mean there won't be a way to stop the car immediately if needed.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:34 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
The benefits outweigh your need for control. And the negative externalities that your control brings by weighing down society
Bit of a straw man in this big post.
Who has a need for control, again?
It's the statist solution that require control and the threat of violence to maintain it.
I'm over here on the other side of that fence.
I want zero public roads. Not two sets.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:34 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Utopia is an authoritarian term.
I advocate for the opposite.
Again. I dont need or want a daddy.
I'm glad you picked one word to disagree with that entire post.
That's typically leads to a very fruitful discussion.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:35 pm to shel311
No. My point is no one but young people want to give total control to a computer to drive them around. Your graph showed good sales for the model 3 which still has a driver. Therefore, your graph has no bearing on my opinion. Personally, I don’t give a shite because Musk has yet to prove he can do what he says he can do with regards to Tesla.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:37 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
I want zero public roads. Not two sets.
Again, you're living in a fantasy world that's not feasible. That's the issue with liberterians.
You want the freedom to make choices even if those choices create massive issues for others which they cant control. That's what negative externalities are. And that's why a 3rd party is needed to create regulations for cowboys like you that want to do whatever you want, everyone else be damned.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:37 pm to Janky
quote:Fair enough, but your opinion also has no bearing on real life and what will actually happen.
our graph showed good sales for the model 3 which still has a driver. Therefore, your graph has no bearing on my opinion.
quote:Like the other poster said, the investment/profit/stock side of Tesla is different than the advancement of the technology. Now obviously you need both, but if the company itself fails, it doesn't mean the technology isn't important or wanted/needed by the general public.
Personally, I don’t give a shite because Musk has yet to prove he can do what he says he can do with regards to Tesla.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:39 pm to KosmoCramer
Should I write a novel or just point out the logical fallacies and language manipulation that purposefully derails the logic train?
If the premise is flawed, the wall of text details that are based on it are as well.
If the premise is flawed, the wall of text details that are based on it are as well.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:43 pm to shel311
quote:
Fair enough, but your opinion also has no bearing on real life and what will actually happen.
Correct, profits do and they are not there yet. I am on vacation and going lay by the pool. Enjoy the rest of the day.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:44 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Should I write a novel or just point out the logical fallacies and language manipulation that purposefully derails the logic train?
If the premise is flawed, the wall of text details that are based on it are as well.
Doesn't have response; uses random buzz phrases.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:45 pm to KosmoCramer
What massive issues?
Inflated, worthless currency?
A market that relies on the feelings of the public rather than rational investment?
Cost of living going up thanks to centralization?
Trillion dollar deficits forever?
Crumbling roads that cost too much?
High taxes that don't typically go to build or maintain muh roads?
The lack of govt control makes things cheaper and better. Not the other way around.
Inflated, worthless currency?
A market that relies on the feelings of the public rather than rational investment?
Cost of living going up thanks to centralization?
Trillion dollar deficits forever?
Crumbling roads that cost too much?
High taxes that don't typically go to build or maintain muh roads?
The lack of govt control makes things cheaper and better. Not the other way around.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:52 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
What massive issues?
Severe inefficiencies in countless markets
Better use of current infrastructure, reduce need for more
Tens of thousands of vehicle deaths per year
Posted on 4/23/19 at 12:58 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:Except this is not in any way practical or realistic of an option for roads in America.
The lack of govt control makes things cheaper and better
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