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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:01 pm to bayoubengals88
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:01 pm to bayoubengals88
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I did not, for without god there is no truth.
Plato points out in Euthypro that divine commands cannot provide a foundation for morality. If we can have the independent standard for moral goodness than we do not need God to establish what is right or wrong.
Suggesting that without God everything is permitted is nothing more than a statement utilized to fear people to adhere to the Church's teachings.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:03 pm to chRxis
quote:I think you should look up the word religion and then rethink this statement. Morality comes from God
morality CAN be discerned without applying a religious dogma to it
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:03 pm to bayoubengals88
As a Christian, what gives you the authority to tell me that I am not "standing"?
Who are you to judge?
Who are you to judge?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:I'm still waiting on that standard, as are Rousseau and Voltaire.
If we can have the independent standard for moral goodness than we do not need God to establish what is right or wrong.
Have you looked around? While we've been trying to get rid of God a new religion (rather than an independent standard) has already filled the void.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:If the standard is independent for every person, then who is to say that someone else standard, say for murder, is "wrong"?
If we can have the independent standard for moral goodness than we do not need God to establish what is right or wrong.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:07 pm to low end
quote:One who has the ability to use the immaterial laws of logic created by an immaterial God.
Who are you to judge?
Your're not standing because you cannot verify what is true. Or if you can, you have not proven to have done so to this point.
Also, I'm not interested in judging you as Christian or telling you anything about your soul. I'm merely stating that you can't believe in truth and deny God. I'm actually asking you to forfeit belief in truth just to be consistent, but would much rather you take another look at God.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Plato points out in Euthypro that divine commands cannot provide a foundation for morality. If we can have the independent standard for moral goodness than we do not need God to establish what is right or wrong.
Suggesting that without God everything is permitted is nothing more than a statement utilized to fear people to adhere to the Church's teachings.
"Goodness" is a meaningless word without God.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:08 pm to bayoubengals88
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I'm still waiting on that standard, as are Rousseau and Voltaire.
Have you looked around? While we've been trying to get rid of God a new religion has already filled the void.
Are you suggesting folks who aren't religious at this point don't perform good, moral acts? Or live by a societally accepted good moral standard?
Plenty of folks out there who are religious but performing acts that would be against a universal moral standard.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:10 pm to StrongOffer
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If the standard is independent for every person, then who is to say that someone else standard, say for murder, is "wrong"?
You could also make the argument that society can develop a standard of universal morality through reasoning. Evaluating consequence. A non-religious person could reasonably argue that murder is wrong because it robs someone of their life against their will.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:11 pm to bayoubengals88
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One who has the ability to use the immaterial laws of logic created by an immaterial God.
So you're saying that your faith in god and your perceived ability to define good and bad, which was given to you by God and through your faith in him, gives you the moral standing to pass judgement on me and my "standing"?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Not in the slightest. They act Christian without knowing that they're acting as Christians. Have you really not heard these things before?
Are you suggesting folks who aren't religious at this point don't perform good, moral acts?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:12 pm to bayoubengals88
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Not in the slightest. They act Christian without knowing that they're acting as Christians. Have you really not heard these things before?
If Christians have the corner on being morally good, why do so many violate that standard?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:12 pm to Jim Rockford
now THIS kind of thinking is how you expand your congregation.
By 1 person over the next 5 years., Good grief of all the things a church can do and they choose to take a stand on IVF?
By 1 person over the next 5 years., Good grief of all the things a church can do and they choose to take a stand on IVF?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:13 pm to low end
quote:No. It gives me the ability to say that you can't both believe in truth and deny God.
So you're saying that your faith in god and your perceived ability to define good and bad, which was given to you by God and through your faith in him, gives you the moral standing to pass judgement on me and my "standing"?
I'm not referring to your moral standing, but rather your inability to answer my questions while I continue to rebut yours.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:We don't have the corner. Jesus Christ has the corner on being morally good, and him alone. Even Christ's disciples couldn't follow him to the standard.
If Christians have the corner on being morally good, why do so many violate that standard?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:16 pm to bayoubengals88
Except you've rebutted nothing and proven that all of this is based on your own personal faith, which is defined as "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."
If your entire world view is based on faith, you have no ability to prove anything, let alone try to act like you have some moral high ground because you accept some christian god and others don't.
If your entire world view is based on faith, you have no ability to prove anything, let alone try to act like you have some moral high ground because you accept some christian god and others don't.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:17 pm to bayoubengals88
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You want to believe in truth, but do not believer in a creator?
yes, and it's quite logical to believe in such, actually...
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Isn't it obvious?
not at all, but again, that's YOUR worldview.... to each their own, chief
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Without a creator there is no truth.
again, YOUR worldview.... you do not KNOW there is a creator, you have faith there is...
there may be, there may not be... but at the end of the day, no one, not you, not me, can say they KNOW, for a fact, that there is a creator...
i don't have to tell you about how we KNOW there is truth, do i?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:17 pm to bayoubengals88
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We don't have the corner. Jesus Christ has the corner on being morally good, and him alone. Even Christ's disciples couldn't follow him to the standard.
You literally just said non-religious people who are acting morally good are acting Christian. That suggests Christians have ownership of morally good behavior.
And there's a whole lot of evidence out there that they don't actually act morally good in a lot of circumstances.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:18 pm to bayoubengals88
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Jesus Christ has the corner on being morally good, and him alone
except, that's not even remotely true...
there was morally good WAAYYYYY before Jesus was even on the scene....
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:19 pm to bayoubengals88
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you can't both believe in truth and deny God.
except you can.... you absolutely, 100% can
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