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re: Southern Baptist Convention: IVF is a sin
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:51 am to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:51 am to Green Chili Tiger
quote:If you don't want to be part of a society, sure. But back to my original point, politics that govern a society are instrically linked to religious determinations. Not religious like the SBC or the Roman Catholics, but religious as in oriented toward a truth that's higher than merely factual.
Neither your worldview nor your religion should prohibit me from anything. It prohibits you. Big difference.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:51 am to bayoubengals88
quote:So the words of Christ himself are deemed somethings that you can just do without. It isnt a particular background, it is THE background. But, I understand, it isnt judgemental enough for most Christians.
. It's just evidence of a particular Christian background that I can do without.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:52 am to bayoubengals88
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If it is, then it falls short.
ol' Pascal's Wager, huh?
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ogic and reason falls short
again, according to who?
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You might consider just not believing in truth if you want to be consistent.
again, according to who?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:52 am to tigerfoot
quote:I'm a born again believer in Christ. There ya go
So the words of Christ himself are deemed somethings that you can just do without. It isnt a particular background, it is THE background. But, I understand, it isnt judgemental enough for most Christians.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:52 am to bayoubengals88
quote:Unless you dont like it, as we established earlier.
but religious as in oriented toward a truth that's higher than merely factual.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:53 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
I'm a born again believer in Christ.
Honestly, the worst kind.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:53 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I just can’t really wrap my head around remaining catholic if you have done ivf.
By their doctrine, you are going to hell. I’m assuming you and your wife are unrepentant about your choice to go through ivf. According to the church, you and your wife are hell bound.
IVF is going to be cheaper than private adoption so even the most catholic person is going to have to weigh the economics of it.
If god damns a couple for bringing a child into a loving household then he isn't all the forgiving now is he?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:53 am to bayoubengals88
quote:Dont direct it at me, I dont care. That is between you and Christ, or John from Lake Charles. You decide.
There ya go
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:58 am to Dire Wolf
quote:I figure I am damned, my wife is damned, hell my kids are the product of a poisoned tree so I am only 50/50 if they have a shot.
If god damns a couple for bringing a child into a loving household then he isn't all the forgiving now is he?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:58 am to Jim Rockford
Lots of moral relativism going on in this thread.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:59 am to lionward2014
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Yeah these people are freaking out like all these clinics are doing ultra high level genetic engineering. No one is condoning that, and would think the vast majority of couples would hate someone who wasted a perfectly good embryo for something like that.
Exactly! I know multiple people who did IVF. They all just went with the most viable embryos and didn't even find out the sex until they were actually pregnant just like any other couple. I think this is the scenario that happens most of the time.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:00 am to chRxis
quote:no.
ol' Pascal's Wager, huh?
You want to believe in truth, but do not believer in a creator? And you're asking me how I can say that you might consider giving up believing in truth?
Isn't it obvious?
Without a creator there is no truth. So drop the truth or add the creator.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:01 am to bayoubengals88
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Without a creator there is no truth. So drop the truth or add the creator.
Well, that’s just your opinion. Man.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:01 am to tigerfoot
quote:This was not established from what I can tell.
Unless you dont like it, as we established earlier.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:02 am to bayoubengals88
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I know almost nothing about IVF
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But I can say this. IVF itself is scientific. And the value judgement of whether IVF is right or wrong is religious.
Of course the person who knows the least about it has the strongest opinion on it.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:04 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:No, it's really not an opinion, and it's certainly not just mine.
Well, that’s just your opinion. Man.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:05 am to bayoubengals88
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No, it's really not an opinion
Then prove it? If it's not opinion, it is fact and it can be proven.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:05 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:What did I say about IVF? I said it's both scientific and religious. That's really going out on a limb, huh?
Of course the person who knows the least about it has the strongest opinion on it.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:09 am to bayoubengals88
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I said it's both scientific and religious
Got a scripture to back that up?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:09 am to iwyLSUiwy
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This is an honest question, because I don't claim to be an IVF guru or know the exact specifics of the churches stance. But the embryos not used don't have to be destroyed right? What if a couple freezes the two or so embryos they don't use and plan to use them in the future. Did that couple sin by using IVF but not killing embryos?
Freezing the embryos is every bit as evil as destroying them. In the case of freezing you create a life, and then rob it of any chance of humanity.
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