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re: Should All Drugs be Legalized?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:41 pm to LSU1NSEC
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:41 pm to LSU1NSEC
I know the Portugal argument has been brought up, but here is a link that's short and concise. Maybe even LSU1NSEC can understand it
LINK
Basically states that drug abuse is down by at least 50% for they are treating drug abuse as a health issue rather than a criminal activity.
We can all agree that drugs, in certain instances, can be very detrimental. But I'm also for the idea that if you believe in freedom, you believe in the idea that you can do whatever the frick you want to your body. You want to outlaw tattooing because it permanently inks your body, or because you may be opposed to the idea?
Think about this simple logic for a minute LSU1NSEC. Would you think those three kids would be in this situation if drugs were legal? Let me spell that out to you.
Decriminalization -> money saved on incarcerations -> reinvest in drug addicts through health programs -> less addicts on the streets -> less demand for drugs -> same supply, less demand = less profit and GP margins -> less crime-related to drug trafficking -> less people affected by drugs
Understand?
LINK
Basically states that drug abuse is down by at least 50% for they are treating drug abuse as a health issue rather than a criminal activity.
We can all agree that drugs, in certain instances, can be very detrimental. But I'm also for the idea that if you believe in freedom, you believe in the idea that you can do whatever the frick you want to your body. You want to outlaw tattooing because it permanently inks your body, or because you may be opposed to the idea?
Think about this simple logic for a minute LSU1NSEC. Would you think those three kids would be in this situation if drugs were legal? Let me spell that out to you.
Decriminalization -> money saved on incarcerations -> reinvest in drug addicts through health programs -> less addicts on the streets -> less demand for drugs -> same supply, less demand = less profit and GP margins -> less crime-related to drug trafficking -> less people affected by drugs
Understand?
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:41 pm to DanTiger
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Very true. Basically extortion we pay to keep our cities from burning.
Reparations be due!
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:42 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Well I have to give you libertarian types credit for one thing. You don't mind working to pay for cheap/free drugs for addicts. Guess you get browny points for that in some bizarre way.
Addicts are emotional and financial black holes - even recovering addicts will tell you that.
Addicts are emotional and financial black holes - even recovering addicts will tell you that.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:42 pm to Tiger Ryno
my ac guy got the good shite
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:44 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Briefly explain to me the economics of how heroin will be "cheaper" if legalized?
Ok....legal products are cheaper than illegal products sold on the black market. That was easy.
[quote]How "cheap" is pot in Colorado right now, versus what I'd currently pay for it on the street in New Orleans?[/quote
About 1/2 the price. Heroin would probably be 1/4 or less of the current price if it was legal and people would also know exactly what they were getting.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:44 pm to LSU1NSEC
You realize that we are trying to prevent drug addicts in the future
Locking druggies up does nothing but waste money, as history will tell you.
By your same logic, you are paying to lock up these criminals every single day. Does that make as much sense? It may not affect you directly, as say a family member, but we are all paying the price as a society.
Locking druggies up does nothing but waste money, as history will tell you.
By your same logic, you are paying to lock up these criminals every single day. Does that make as much sense? It may not affect you directly, as say a family member, but we are all paying the price as a society.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:44 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Addicts are emotional and financial black holes
I agree.
Where we diverge is I don't give a frick about any addict I have ever known. If they die? frick em. They did it to themselves.
It's just the way I am, and I'm willing to bet there are many more like me that are just to scared to admit the truth for fear of some kind of social/religious/political punishment for a lack for fricks given.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:46 pm to lsu480
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Heroin would probably be 1/4 or less of the current price if it was legal and people would also know exactly what they were getting.
How so? Someone regulating that?
I'll ask again, are the sellers being granted any sort of civil immunity to sell it?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:47 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The only problem I see with it is the taxpayers will end up paying for recovery programs still.
Probably be cheaper than prison, and the social cost of taking care of families, etc.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:48 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I can definitely tell you by experience.
Go to any disperancies website and it'll cite you prices for grams, eighths, quarters, ozs, etc.
Now let's take the average purchase for weed, an eighth. A typical eighth costs, in Louisiana, around $60. If you were in CO, that would cost you ~$40. Taxes may make it a bit more expensive, but that doesn't factor into the real price of weed.
So, CO is cheaper than NO.
Go to any disperancies website and it'll cite you prices for grams, eighths, quarters, ozs, etc.
Now let's take the average purchase for weed, an eighth. A typical eighth costs, in Louisiana, around $60. If you were in CO, that would cost you ~$40. Taxes may make it a bit more expensive, but that doesn't factor into the real price of weed.
So, CO is cheaper than NO.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:48 pm to Y.A. Tittle
How so? Common sense bro! 
I already answered your liability question. The companies selling these will be have the same liability as the people who sell smokes and booze.
I already answered your liability question. The companies selling these will be have the same liability as the people who sell smokes and booze.Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:48 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Addicts are emotional and financial black holes
If that's true, someone owes me a frick of a lot of money I've paid in taxes over the past 40 years.
signed,
John Q. Dope fiend/Working man/Tax fricking payer
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably be cheaper than prison, and the social cost of taking care of families, etc
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for legalization of it. I just like to throw out possible curveballs so all bases are covered in case of an argument.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:49 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Enough of this thread, I could go on for days, but I've got a shite ton of work to do 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:49 pm to Emiliooo
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So, CO is cheaper than NO.
As it becomes more available in other states, competition will lower prices and drive innovation (choice)
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:49 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I promise you that it is cheaper in Colorado than New Orleans
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:50 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Briefly explain to me the economics of how heroin will be "cheaper" if legalized?
villages in AK will spend $300 for whiskey because its illegal. There is a mark up for taking a risk as a criminal.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:51 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Addicts are emotional and financial black holes
And I'll ask you for the umpteenth time, how does our current legal standing on drugs help create fewer addicts?
Legalization would, at least, create a means to put more rehab opportunities out there. Perhaps your family would have had better access to getting help if the drugs were legal.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:51 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Sure...but an outcome no reasonable person would even consider as part of this argument.
You are being unresonable at this point. I assure you what I wrote could happen. I did not post odds on whether it would happen or not because I simply don't know for certain. There is certainly a chance that the negative impact would be very minimal and the good would outweigh the bad.
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