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re: Should All Drugs be Legalized?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most drug dealers don't make much money, and most drug dealers have regular jobs. Dealing is a crime of opportunity, for the most part.
They also sell in order to supply themselves. What generally happens when a crack addict needs a fix and cannot earn from slinging on the side? I am not arguing with your statement that everything should be legalized I am just syaing that there will be numerous good and bad consequences and all of them should be considered.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 pm to Salmon
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I cannot fathom how you cannot see our point with this
Everyone he knows has become an addict while the drugs were illegal, yet...
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 pm to 9th life
Fair enough. I just see too many people saying "legalize it and tax the hell out of it." I just think it's foolish to try to get the government to try to abolish criminal manipulation by replacing it with financial manipulation, as a point of principle. Although for practical reasons it may be necessary as a compromise if this sort of legislation is ever to become possible. I'm not really confident that it's feasible, so I stick to my principles.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:24 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Have you ever dealt with a bad drug addict?
Yes. Extended family member, for about a decade now.
frick em. They made that decision, nobody else.
Stop enabling. Stop caring. It's liberating as frick
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The only problem I see with it is the taxpayers will end up paying for recovery programs still. Legalizing won't stop that, it may in fact grow it.
As a taxpayer, I'd rather pay for rehabs, schools, and treatment centers than prison any day of the week.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Have you ever had to deal with a drug addict? I guessing no. I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed. His Mom is still paying the price for his drug addiction. Maybe most people on here are young and naive. If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
DRUGS ARE VERY BAD!!! I'M NOT DENYING THAT! You have failed to understand that people willing to try drugs but don't because it's illegal are going to ruin their lives anyway.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to DanTiger
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I didn't write anything close to that in my post.
I quoted you saying something essentially that.
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I simply stated one negative that jumped into my head immediately.
Which was...that drug dealers would not take kindly to having their business taken away by legitimate drug companies and therefore would take to "crime" to make ends meet. Is that not basically what you suggested?
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I am sure there are numerous pros and cons that may be produced on each side but they certainly all need to be considered before rendering a decision..
Are you're a Libertarian you say?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to Tiger in NY
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We get it. Drugs are badd mkay. Almost everyone in this thread has probably known a drug addict as well and/or had someone close die from it (I have). The fact that drugs are illegal are not stopping these people from doing drugs though.
Frankly, if people could legally go do drugs in a controlled environment under a doctor, there would be far fewer deaths. So that's what you should be arguing if your stance is that drugs kill.
wow, so naive. and tell me what insurance plan will cover that? Wait! we have people who need dialysis, eye surgery, orthoscopic surgery, hernias, uninsured diabetics, etc ad nauseum... but hey, let's use medical resources to let a drug addict sit around in the doctor's office and get high.
alriiiighty then
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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The only problem I see with it is the taxpayers will end up paying for recovery programs still
I'd rather be supporting recovery efforts than simply paying to lock people up.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:25 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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As a taxpayer, I'd rather pay for rehabs, schools, and treatment centers than prison any day of the week.
I agree, as why I posted much more in there than that one line you conveniently lifted.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:26 pm to AngryBeavers
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Afghanistan would make a lot of money off the opium trade legally.
Another great point and this could be either a negative or a positive. If the Taliban were to suck up a large portion of that cash they could use it to support Al Queda(sp) and push against us. This could result in a much longer stay in the Middle East for us and would likely cost us a fortune.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:26 pm to LSU1NSEC
You are literally retarded
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:27 pm to Tiger in NY
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I'd rather be supporting recovery efforts than simply paying to lock people up.
you too
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:27 pm to AngryBeavers
Not much more than they already are
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:28 pm to DanTiger
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Another great point and this could be either a negative or a positive.
Is the opium trade legal in Afganistan?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:29 pm to DanTiger
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If the Taliban were to suck up a large portion of that cash they could use it to support Al Queda(sp) and push against us
The Taliban had eradicated opium production in that area prior to our invasion.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:30 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Have you ever had to deal with a drug addict? I guessing no. I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed. His Mom is still paying the price for his drug addiction. Maybe most people on here are young and naive. If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
Finally, I am understanding your point.
If drugs were legal, dude would have been a super addict, instead of a regular one.
You've convinced me.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:32 pm to Tiger Ryno
Yes.
There's no reason it should not be. Someone doing drugs does not harm me whatsoever, and as long it's consensual and they understand the risks, I have no issue with it.
There's no reason it should not be. Someone doing drugs does not harm me whatsoever, and as long it's consensual and they understand the risks, I have no issue with it.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:33 pm to LSU1NSEC
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wow, so naive. and tell me what insurance plan will cover that? Wait! we have people who need dialysis, eye surgery, orthoscopic surgery, hernias, uninsured diabetics, etc ad nauseum... but hey, let's use medical resources to let a drug addict sit around in the doctor's office and get high.
Rehab centers employ doctors. This is probably what he is talking about. It would be a better use of funds to provide rehab services for drug addicts than it would be to send them to jail. Rehab centers give the person opportunity to improve their lives. Jail makes people's lives worse.
Who's naive?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Which was...that drug dealers would not take kindly to having their business taken away by legitimate drug companies and therefore would take to "crime" to make ends meet. Is that not basically what you suggested?
I stated a possible outcome. I do my best not to make definitive statements so you will not trap me by posting a hypothetical I proposed.
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Are you're a Libertarian you say?
I am while being a realist. We must live with the circumstances and the government we now have because ideals do not always sustain us in the real world. I love the proposal to open our borders while removing our current welfare system but if you to the former without the latter it would obviously be catastrophic.
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