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re: Should All Drugs be Legalized?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:16 pm to LSUengineer12
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:16 pm to LSUengineer12
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All substances can be compared to Alcohol.
Yes ALL substances are equally addictive as alcohol.
This thread is stupid. Of course they should all be legal.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Prohibitionists though making alcohol illegal would change society for the better. They though jails would empty, people would be more productive and live would be awesome.
Nothing like good old progressive utopian dreams. The PBS series on Prohibition was enlightening to me in that they discussed how Prohibition was a progressive goal, and not necessarily a conservative (ie religious) one. The progressives (read: liberals) wanted to save all the poor immigrants from drinking their lives away. Passed a bunch of laws banning the german and italian immigrants' cultural drinking habits which were connected to them keeping their heritage alive.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:17 pm to DanTiger
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. I would imagine many of those dealers would resort to robbery and burglary
Most drug dealers don't make much money, and most drug dealers have regular jobs. Dealing is a crime of opportunity, for the most part.
Take away the black market, and you take away a lot of opportunity. Some gangs would switch to other crimes (like the mob did after prohibition ended) but in a generation or so you would see a huge decrease in gang activity.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:18 pm to DanTiger
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One problem, that jumps to mind, would be those currently earning as dealers. The people who sling crack in the ghetto are not going to find a 9-5 job if you legalize everything and take away the way in which they earn. I would imagine many of those dealers would resort to robbery and burglary and you would see both of those number go through the roof. Those folks also have no problem employing violence and when they don't have rival dealers to kill they will be happy to shoot up anyone at home when they break in to steal a stereo.
So we are to keep drugs illegal...to mollify drug dealers because without that, they would have nothing else to do?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:18 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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either you're trolling or you have a very small closed mind and you fear what you dont understand
Have you ever had to deal with a drug addict? I guessing no. I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed. His Mom is still paying the price for his drug addiction. Maybe most people on here are young and naive. If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:18 pm to Peazey
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They shouldn't be taxed any more than any other product. That's just excusing the goverment's overinvolvement and attempts to manipulate the public markets.
I didn't imply they should be, but 0 is currently the amount of tax dollars the millions (if not billions) spent on cocaine and heroin generates now. I would assume if it was taxed at a comparable rate to alcohol and tobacco, then that number would be greater than 0.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:19 pm to LSU1NSEC
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I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed. His Mom is still paying the price for his drug addiction. Maybe most people on here are young and naive. If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
I cannot fathom how you cannot see our point with this
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:19 pm to Tiger in NY
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Prohibitionists though making alcohol illegal would change society for the better. They though jails would empty, people would be more productive and live would be awesome.
Nothing like good old progressive utopian dreams. The PBS series on Prohibition was enlightening to me in that they discussed how Prohibition was a progressive goal, and not necessarily a conservative (ie religious) one. The progressives (read: liberals) wanted to save all the poor immigrants from drinking their lives away. Passed a bunch of laws banning the german and italian immigrants' cultural drinking habits which were connected to them keeping their heritage alive.
Both sides have factions that want some utopian fantasy. It's really hard to convince folks to look at reality, and drop the fantasy.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:20 pm to 9th life
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All Drugs should be legal. Bottom line. All substances can be compared to Alcohol. All dangerous and can cause death if abused. All alter inhibitions. The only difference is you don't get drug tested for alcohol.. So companies can either choose to keep drug tests or get rid of them. Either way, like alcohol, if you show up to work high/drunk, you're getting fired. Like alcohol, All drug related offences (car wrecks, stupidity, drunk in public, etc.) should be punishable. And like alcohol and Marijuana, you tax the shite out of it. It will absolutely wipe up crime associated with underground drug markets much like the end of prohibition cleared up alcohol related violence.
and hopefully thin out the population some....
The only problem I see with it is the taxpayers will end up paying for recovery programs still. Legalizing won't stop that, it may in fact grow it.
I am all for it though. I think that if you want to kill yourself, then by all means, have at it hoss. Who am I to stop you.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:20 pm to LSU1NSEC
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I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed
How?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:20 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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What sort of companies do you envision would be lining up to "legally" sell IV grade smack for recreational use?
Afghanistan would make a lot of money off the opium trade legally.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:20 pm to DanTiger
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The people who sling crack in the ghetto are not going to find a 9-5 job if you legalize everything and take away the way in which they earn.
There will be plenty of ways such enterprising youngsters to make a living.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:21 pm to DanTiger
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I would imagine many of those dealers would resort to robbery and burglary and you would see both of those number go through the roof. Those folks also have no problem employing violence and when they don't have rival dealers to kill they will be happy to shoot up anyone at home when they break in to steal a stereo.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:21 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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So we are to keep drugs illegal...to mollify drug dealers because without that, they would have nothing else to do?
I didn't write anything close to that in my post. I simply stated one negative that jumped into my head immediately. I am sure there are numerous pros and cons that may be produced on each side but they certainly all need to be considered before rendering a decision..
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:21 pm to NoHoTiger
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There will be plenty of ways such enterprising youngsters to make a living.
Rather have company pay them to sling rock, than the taxpayers paying them...
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to Tiger Ryno
We already have access to one of the most potent and potentially destructive mood altering substances ever created. I mean after alcohol, what's a little coke and heroin?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
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I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed
How?
Have you ever dealt with a bad drug addict? You need to go live around one for 10 years then get back to me on your opinion about legalized hard drugs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to LSU1NSEC
Did he ruin your life too? You sound awfully angry
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Have you ever had to deal with a drug addict? I guessing no. I grew up on a farm - cousin was a drug addict. He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed. His Mom is still paying the price for his drug addiction. Maybe most people on here are young and naive. If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
We get it. Drugs are badd mkay. Almost everyone in this thread has probably known a drug addict as well and/or had someone close die from it (I have). The fact that drugs are illegal are not stopping these people from doing drugs though.
Frankly, if people could legally go do drugs in a controlled environment under a doctor, there would be far fewer deaths. So that's what you should be arguing if your stance is that drugs kill.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Have you ever had to deal with a drug addict? I guessing no.
Yes...a sister of mine.
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He literally ruined every single life he came in contact with then overdosed.
Pretty much, yeah.
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If you've ever been around drug addicts - you might have a different opinion about legalizing the hard stuff.
Wait...did I miss your argument? Fact is, my sister was going to be an addict whether she could go to Wallgreens and buy drugs or at the corner. Making it legal would have simply helped all the various other aspects of the war on drugs. Addicts are going to be addicts in this scenario regardless of the legality.
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