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re: Should All Drugs be Legalized?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:07 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:07 pm to Tiger Ryno
yes. in my opinion, all drugs should be legal. they should be taxed and regulated.
I do not do any drugs, nor have I touched them recreationally, in over 10 years.
I do not do any drugs, nor have I touched them recreationally, in over 10 years.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:08 pm to DanTiger
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I believ you should have said that politicians fear liberty and love spending money. I believe marijuana should be legal but I am on the fence with other drugs. I understand the logic behind legalizing everything as I am a Libertarian but I am not so sure that we wouldn't end up paying a higher price in the end with our current system of govt. We would be likely forced to suffer in one respect or another.
Besides the direct costs of the drug war (which includes billions in foreign aid) the indirect social costs are staggering.
I think it would be impossible to surpass the social cost we now have.
The US imprisons people at a rate far higher than any nation in the world. Think about that.
It's not that we have more criminals, it's directly related to our policies which were instituted in the early 1970's. Not only are you paying to imprison non violent offenders (or violent offenders who are a product of the black market) but you're paying for their dependents. Some of this is now generational.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:08 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Kid #1 - both brothers are drug addicts serving time for grand theft.
Kid #2 - mother died of overdose a few years back. She grew up in a very respected family. Uncle was sole heir in line to inherit a 1000 acre farm - got hooked on crack and lost everything. Living in a $1500 trailer on a canal now.
Kid #3 - Single mom with 3 kids who got hooked on meth by dating Kid #1 - now about to lose her kids and looking at jail time for arrest.
If you think legalizing all drugs is the smart thing to do you're high on something and not thinking straight.
How can anything in this post be construed as solid evidence that some drugs should be illegal to use?
I understand your "drugs are bad, mmmkay" stance, but none of the above shows that some of them being illegal is helping in any way.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:08 pm to Tiger in NY
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Ok, then explain it to me
It's like all the people who wanted to legalize pot "'cuz there's so many useful things we can do with hemp plants - rope, clothes, blah, blah, blah"
Yep, I see herds of people in Colorado opening up "hemp rope and clothing" factories now.
blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:09 pm to LSU1NSEC
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It's like all the people who wanted to legalize pot "'cuz there's so many useful things we can do with hemp plants - rope, clothes, blah, blah, blah"
Yep, I see herds of people in Colorado opening up "hemp rope and clothing" factories now.
blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
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*jumps off cliff
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:10 pm to LSU1NSEC
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If you think legalizing all drugs is the smart thing to do you're high on something and not thinking straight.
So you support making alcohol and tobacco illegal too?
Let me try to say this in a different way. All the people that would start using a drug if they became legal are weak minded and foolish? agree? So if they are foolish enough to try a drug, then they also foolish enough to do many irrational things in their life that are legal? agree? Those legal foolish decisions probably affect their children in negative way? agree? So do you have a proposal to stop them from making those stupid decisions also?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:11 pm to LSU1NSEC
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It's like all the people who wanted to legalize pot "'cuz there's so many useful things we can do with hemp plants - rope, clothes, blah, blah, blah"
Yep, I see herds of people in Colorado opening up "hemp rope and clothing" factories now.
blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:11 pm to Tiger Ryno
yes
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
All Drugs should be legal. Bottom line.
All substances can be compared to Alcohol.
All dangerous and can cause death if abused.
All alter inhibitions.
The only difference is you don't get drug tested for alcohol..
So companies can either choose to keep drug tests or get rid of them. Either way, like alcohol, if you show up to work high/drunk, you're getting fired.
Like alcohol, All drug related offences (car wrecks, stupidity, drunk in public, etc.) should be punishable.
And like alcohol and Marijuana, you tax the shite out of it.
It will absolutely wipe up crime associated with underground drug markets much like the end of prohibition cleared up alcohol related violence.
All substances can be compared to Alcohol.
All dangerous and can cause death if abused.
All alter inhibitions.
The only difference is you don't get drug tested for alcohol..
So companies can either choose to keep drug tests or get rid of them. Either way, like alcohol, if you show up to work high/drunk, you're getting fired.
Like alcohol, All drug related offences (car wrecks, stupidity, drunk in public, etc.) should be punishable.
And like alcohol and Marijuana, you tax the shite out of it.
It will absolutely wipe up crime associated with underground drug markets much like the end of prohibition cleared up alcohol related violence.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:12 pm to LSU1NSEC
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It's like all the people who wanted to legalize pot "'cuz there's so many useful things we can do with hemp plants - rope, clothes, blah, blah, blah"
Yep, I see herds of people in Colorado opening up "hemp rope and clothing" factories now.
blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
You have not made 1 solid argument. There is a huge growth in the hemp market and many new businesses forming. What this has to do with the legalization of drugs though, I have no idea. Hemp is not an intoxicant.
They didn't legalize pot in those states because "addicts" duped the government into thinking they were just legalizing a textile.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:12 pm to LSU1NSEC
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I helped out 3 kids this morning with some stuff - all in their 20's - all on drugs. They're trying to pay their light bill by picking up scrap metal anywhere they can get it.
frick legalizing all drugs.
Im assuming that the drugs they are doing are already illegal, so what's stopping them from doing drugs? Nothing, right? So making it legal would change nothing except that the state would be able to tax the shite out of it and would be in a much better place for it.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:12 pm to LSU1NSEC
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It's like all the people who wanted to legalize pot "'cuz there's so many useful things we can do with hemp plants - rope, clothes, blah, blah, blah"
Yep, I see herds of people in Colorado opening up "hemp rope and clothing" factories now.
blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
either you're trolling or you have a very small closed mind and you fear what you dont understand
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:13 pm to TheIndulger
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Disagree. If cocaine became illegal (and subsequently companies didn't drug test for it) I would definitely go buy some to try . Does that mean id abuse it? No.
I'm assuming you meant became legal. Anyway, even if all drugs were legalized, there's no reason why companies couldn't drug test for any drug they wanted(heroin, coke, weed, etc...). I've worked in the manufacturing industry for over a decade, and there's no way they would just start looking the other way. Too much liability. In fact, I've seen random breathalyzer given at the start of shifts, and people subsequently being terminated right there on the spot. So, I don't get the argument that it would be a free for all. I'm not saying you're making that argument.
Also, maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there legal substances that airline pilots can't consume because if the nature of their job?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Besides the direct costs of the drug war (which includes billions in foreign aid) the indirect social costs are staggering.
I think it would be impossible to surpass the social cost we now have.
The US imprisons people at a rate far higher than any nation in the world. Think about that.
It's not that we have more criminals, it's directly related to our policies which were instituted in the early 1970's. Not only are you paying to imprison non violent offenders (or violent offenders who are a product of the black market) but you're paying for their dependents. Some of this is now generational.
I agree with everything you wrote but I am still on the fence with everything outside of marijuana. There are numerous repercussions that I am sure we haven't all considered. One problem, that jumps to mind, would be those currently earning as dealers. The people who sling crack in the ghetto are not going to find a 9-5 job if you legalize everything and take away the way in which they earn. I would imagine many of those dealers would resort to robbery and burglary and you would see both of those number go through the roof. Those folks also have no problem employing violence and when they don't have rival dealers to kill they will be happy to shoot up anyone at home when they break in to steal a stereo.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:14 pm to Tiger Ryno
Yes
I find it funny that people criticize marijuana as being a stepping stone for harder drugs. The only reason people believe this, is because marijuana is illegal. If alcohol was outlawed, people would consider alcohol a stepping stone.
I find it funny that people criticize marijuana as being a stepping stone for harder drugs. The only reason people believe this, is because marijuana is illegal. If alcohol was outlawed, people would consider alcohol a stepping stone.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:14 pm to LSU1NSEC
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blowing smoke up everyones' asses. addicts will say anything to get drugs.
By 1933, people who advocated alcohol prohibition were lobbying for its end. Why? The same problems we have now.
Prohibitionists though making alcohol illegal would change society for the better. They thought jails would empty, people would be more productive and life would be awesome.
People still drank alcohol at the same rate they did before, it was more dangerous due to homemade products, they had to build more jails, homicides increased and a whole network of gangs were established.
The exact thing is happening now. Some people haven't learned from history.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:15 pm to 9th life
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they should be taxed and regulated.
They shouldn't be taxed any more than any other product. That's just excusing the goverment's overinvolvement and attempts to manipulate the public markets.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:15 pm to LSUengineer12
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All Drugs should be legal. Bottom line. All substances can be compared to Alcohol. All dangerous and can cause death if abused. All alter inhibitions. The only difference is you don't get drug tested for alcohol.. So companies can either choose to keep drug tests or get rid of them. Either way, like alcohol, if you show up to work high/drunk, you're getting fired. Like alcohol, All drug related offences (car wrecks, stupidity, drunk in public, etc.) should be punishable. And like alcohol and Marijuana, you tax the shite out of it. It will absolutely wipe up crime associated with underground drug markets much like the end of prohibition cleared up alcohol related violence.
this pretty much sums up exactly how I feel about it.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:16 pm to Tiger in NY
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You have not made 1 solid argument.
exactly. All he has basically said is that drugs are harmful to your health and that the children of drug users have a tough life. He acts like we don't know know that. The issue is much deeper than that.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:16 pm to Turkey_Creek_Tiger
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either you're trolling
Good chance
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you have a very small closed mind and you fear what you dont understand
I'd rather not sugar coat it, and just call him stupid.
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