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re: Severe weather threat continues today for parts of the southeast - Threat is Over.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:39 am to rds dc
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:39 am to rds dc
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HRRR loves to fire the open warm sector and make everything discrete at longer range.
Looks like 12z cut back on the open warm sector discrete storms. Makes sense since there isn't really a trigger to fire storms and initiation will be dependent on smaller scale features that can't be resolved at this range.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:43 am to East Coast Band
Nick Mikulas
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I typically want to wait and see the morning run of the models, but I have the time to update now, so I’ll go for it. I have to get out in front of the “real job” work today so I can keep my face buried in radar, or on the road chasing tomorrow. The main idea, as you can see from the upgrade to moderate risk from SPC, is that this will likely be quite the day/night, especially to our east. But as I’ve said in the last couple updates, just because we aren’t in the center of the highest threat doesn’t mean there isn’t a significant local threat for severe weather. But I do worry there could be a potentially significant outbreak of tornadoes to our northeast, and that would be a nighttime outbreak, which makes it even more dangerous. Here’s what I’m seeing locally.
First off, the initial surge of deep moisture will overspread the area today, and along that subtle boundary, we could get a few thunderstorms. There is a marginal risk for severe weather in the northern half of the area, basically north of a Fort Polk to Alexandria to Marksville line. The severe threat should be isolated, but a couple severe storms are possible. Some won’t see rain, some will see a decent storm. Yes, we are getting to that time of year where I get to say partly sunny with a chance of brief chaos. Overnight, I think we calm down as we prep for Wednesday.
Wednesday looks busy, though it should be fairly calm until around noon as storms approach the Texas/Louisiana border. This slightly slower progression means more time to heat up, and prime the atmosphere for storm development. The best chance for severe weather starts around 12:00-1:00 PM Wednesday, and should cross the Mississippi River around 7:00 PM. So it’s a short window of time, but could be a pretty rough one. I’m thinking around 2:00-5:00 PM is our active time here in Rapides Parish, which means temperatures could approach 80 degrees. That will bring us plenty of instability to go along with ample wind shear, and that means that all modes of severe weather are possible. Again, the threat should be more intense, and more widespread to our northeast, but it only takes one bad storm to cause major problems. One slight saving grace down here is that the sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico are still fairly cool. With strong surface southerly flow blowing over those cooler waters, we could see slightly more stable air in parts of the area. The impact of that should generally be closer to the I-10 corridor, but that could help tamp things down a bit the further south you go.
So our main idea here is that there is a level 2 of 5 threat for all modes of severe weather in our area, especially Wednesday afternoon. It wouldn’t stun me to see this bumped up to level 3, but for our purposes, let’s just plan on a busy afternoon. I know the timing of this will coincide with school pick up for some, so keep an eye on radar, and my obsessive updates to get an idea of what’s happening before you head out for any reason. The last thing you want is to unknowingly drive into a tornado warning. I’ll update things late this afternoon after a couple more model cycles.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:50 am to rds dc
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Looks like 12z cut back on the open warm sector discrete storms. Makes sense since there isn't really a trigger to fire storms and initiation will be dependent on smaller scale features that can't be resolved at this range.
Yeah, seems like the afternoon storms are more conditional. However, it looks like there would be an untapped warm sector for the supercells tomorrow evening and the semi-discrete storms ahead of the cold front.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:50 am to Jim Rockford
I think South Louisiana will be mostly out of the worst stuff. NE La, Eastern Ar, central Ms to north MS, and Alabama are in for a show
Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:53 am to Jim Rockford
Have to drive from Memphis to New Orleans tomorrow. What time can I do this to avoid the worst weather?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:01 am to rooloumama
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Have to drive from Memphis to New Orleans tomorrow. What time can I do this to avoid the worst weather?
There’s really not a time tomorrow where there isn’t some risk of severe weather across Mississippi. At least not until late tomorrow night. It’s hard to say exactly when things will get going and if there will be any lulls in activity.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:13 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Probably early morning before the air heats up. I’d leave Memphis at like 6 am
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:20 am to East Coast Band
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I think a good compromise would be to keep the schools open to be shelters, if needed or wanted by the local community
I agree, I am surprised that they do not offer a local high school or something as an emergency shelter.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:23 am to SM6
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agree, I am surprised that they do not offer a local high school or something as an emergency shelter.
Some places do. It really just depends on the county/town. I know many municipalities in Alabama are able to get federal grants to build storm shelters, so many of them now have those. A lot of churches will also open as shelters. I’m sure school systems don’t really care to open schools as shelters because of the potential liability, security issues, etc.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:25 am to HempHead
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God looked at Mississippi and said, "frick this place in particular."
Can you really blame him?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:28 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Reading the SPC discussion, I started thinking about a comparison between this setup and April 27, 2011. On April 27, every major parameter was off the charts, and every met in the Southeast knew what was going to happen.
With this setup, every single possible parameter is just high/bad enough to come together and give a great chance at high-end severe storms. This is such a messy setup for tomorrow.
With this setup, every single possible parameter is just high/bad enough to come together and give a great chance at high-end severe storms. This is such a messy setup for tomorrow.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 10:31 am to Jim Rockford
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Yes, we are getting to that time of year where I get to say partly sunny with a chance of brief chaos.
a fitting way of saying it I do believe
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:01 am to rt3
The 12z NAM did have a weaker low level jet tomorrow evening than previous runs. Still sufficient for tornadoes, though. I guess we will see if any other models show that.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:01 am
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:02 am to LegendInMyMind
Damn I am in the middle of all the red. My cardboard house should protect me though, right?
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:04 am to East Coast Band
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Some, but definitely not all,thought early in the day these early AM storms may could calm the air to suppress the storms for later that day.
Obviously, that didn't happen.
Most hoped it would happen, but knew that if/when the sun came out it was game on. Unfortunately, the sun came out, and there was more than enough energy and instability left to fire those discreet super cells. The storm mode of the morning being a QLCS with the storms moving 60+ mph meant that most of the storms and clouds were through MS and Western AL nearly by daylight on the 27th. Nothing was behind the line to provide cloud cover, and the sun started shining almost immediately.
One saving grace tomorrow may just be the messy setup and multiple waves with patches of storms that could linger. Anything that hangs around to the south hopefully will serve to cut off that crazy southerly flow to the North. Of course, that does nothing to help places further South.
I actually think the Moderate risk area isn't broad enough. There is plenty enough SBCAPE in Southwest/Southern MS along with some healthy looking Helicity/Updraft. I haven't gotten a great look at the shear down that way, but I'm assuming it looks similar to the rest of MS and AL. Any storms that get going down that way will also go severe almost immediately.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:29 am to LegendInMyMind
A very good blog post by Jacob Feuerstein (@Jacob_Feuer) at weather.us:
Southeast tornado threat possible through Thursday
Just the introduction:
He went on to say about tonight:
Southeast tornado threat possible through Thursday
Just the introduction:
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A very dangerous situation seems increasingly likely to evolve across the Southeast tonight into Thursday, with a substantial risk for numerous tornadoes, which could be strong or even violent, across a wide warm sector.
The set-up responsible will be triggered at large by a jet setup already apparent this morning, which can be seen on water vapor imagery.
A little bit of a messy hand analysis of the features of interest this morning reveals an expansive longwave spanning much of the United States, with two more consolidated packets of energy along the periphery. One, over the northern Midwest, is allowing the jet to stretch into a positive tilt, forcing ridging to the southeast of the longwave to assume a SW->NE orientation. The other, a much stronger closed low rounding the base of the longwave into the four corners region, is responsible for an expansive area of diffuse, immature cyclogenesis in the vicinity of New Mexico. As this closed low bowls east, the jet structure at large will promote persistent mass removal in an orientation that promotes low level SW-ly flow. Sensibly, several days of persistent southerly advection will precede the impulse’s ejection. This will set the stage for the surface development of a wide warm sector, which will be injected with some degree of kinematic support with the approach of the evolving Great Plains impulse. The seeds for a major severe thunderstorm outbreak are therefore planted, well ahead of time, in an unusual double-barreled jet orientation.
As the southwestern US impulse moves east, it will promote a multi-day string of severe thunderstorm risk as various orientations of forcing for ascent and kinematic support interact with long-fetch southerly flow.
He went on to say about tonight:
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Those in a swath from Louisiana and Arkansas into northern Mississippi should be sure to turn emergency alerts on for tonight!
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:39 am to LegendInMyMind
We should be getting a new day 2 outlook for tomorrow from SPC around 12:30pm CDT. I will post it as soon as is out. The image in the OP should update on its own.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:45 am to LegendInMyMind
He is saying there may be severe storms in the southeast Tonight?. I don’t understand
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:56 am to Wishnitwas1998
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He is saying there may be severe storms in the southeast Tonight?. I don’t understand
It is possible in the early morning hours in those areas, yes. It is more him saying that the overnight threat is there for tonight, and if storms do develop they could go severe fairly easily and catch people off guard.
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:57 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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We should be getting a new day 2 outlook for tomorrow from SPC around 12:30pm CDT. I will post it as soon as is out. The image in the OP should update on its own.
Based on 12z guidance, maybe a south shift of the MOD or an expansion of the MOD SW into NE LA. Don't think anything in the 12z guidance justifies an upgrade.
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