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re: Salamoni-Terminated; Lake Suspended- New Videos Released-WBRZ
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:12 am to OptionRight
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:12 am to OptionRight
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You are correct sir and have identified the systemic problem. AS death, Salamoni’s life along with countless other lives are affected daily because of this single thing.
In your opinion, the actions of the cop had nothing to do with escalating the situation?
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:17 am to Antonio Moss
But see Moss, here’s where the tricky part is: As stated they were at a safe distance in a tense situation. If (2) BRPD officers are drawn on a non compliant suspect who is ADVERTISED by dispatch as ARMED with a pistol...and they remain there...he turns his back to them, reaches to his pocket or waistband and they kill him...then the argument is...Why (2) officers had to shoot that man?!....it’s a no win situation. One could argue that Salamoni’s actions to close the distance and go hands on to secure AS hands with handcuffs are a better alternative than a Mexican standoff in a poorly lit parking lot with unknown threats all around....as it turned out, the landing spot where they fell was not advantageous to gain control on that one side. I could argue that Salamoni’s actions were to prevent lethal action then Once on the ground, continually reaching for the gun, not complying and losing the hand battle...he had to shoot him to stop the threat...
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:19 am to OptionRight
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If (2) BRPD officers are drawn on a non compliant suspect who is ADVERTISED by dispatch as ARMED with a pistol...and they remain there...he turns his back to them, reaches to his pocket or waistband and they kill him...then the argument is...Why
bullshite.
If officers are drawn on a suspect that they reasonably believe to be armed and, despite warnings, the suspect makes a move to a concealed area, officers are well within their right to use lethal force.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:26 am to LaBR4
He going to get paid, I mean they settled for 6 figures for arresting protesters, this dude going to go ham with a decent lawyer.
All I see in that vid was Sterling turning and facing up Lake after he was tazered, the dude was resisting the entire time.
All I see in that vid was Sterling turning and facing up Lake after he was tazered, the dude was resisting the entire time.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:27 am to OptionRight
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Fact remains that the single major contributing factor why AS is dead....Is AS
There is no other way to look at it... Its AMAZING folks in north BR think to this day that "he was just A good guy"... They will forever think that the cops killed him for no reason... THAT is whats wrong with this city and country........... The dude was not even close to bein any kind of father.. He was A drug dealer using selling CD'S as A front... He has been in and out f jail basically his whole life... Was basically a loner career criminal that lived on the streets yet HIS people STILL think he did NOTHING WRONG......
/rant..........
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger I’ll say it like this...Salamoni took action. I mean do we want to hold him at gunpoint, block intersections, tape off the area and dispatch SWAT? Here’s what I see. Verbal commands ZERO effect, non lethal deployment ZERO effect...AS turned his back, Salamoni saw an opportunity to take him down, he took it...I’d have done the same....Here’s the bad part: where he landed was horrible area for Salamoni and Lake—they were then at a disadvantage to control. Do I think Salamoni was the consummate professional? No....Do I think this situation ends the same way? Yes...AS was not going to allow either of them to cuff him and find that pistol...period
I’m not quite sure how you would have de-escalated the situation. Salamoni, while not an alter boy, did the best he could to try and get all 3 out of there alive, it didn’t shake out that way.
So how do you handle a non compliant doped up 300lb man armed with a loaded pistol in his environment and satisfy the dept and public opinion? I’ll hang up and listen...
I’m not quite sure how you would have de-escalated the situation. Salamoni, while not an alter boy, did the best he could to try and get all 3 out of there alive, it didn’t shake out that way.
So how do you handle a non compliant doped up 300lb man armed with a loaded pistol in his environment and satisfy the dept and public opinion? I’ll hang up and listen...
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:33 am to OptionRight
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Is AS...He chose to put a pistol in his pocket, hit the drug buffet and aggressively resist the blue helmet oppressors. If he complies, gets arrested, gets Trudy White, he is likely selling “bottoms mix cd’s” today....
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:33 am to OptionRight
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So how do you handle a non compliant doped up 300lb man armed with a loaded pistol in his environment and satisfy the dept and public opinion? I’ll hang up and listen...
The opposite of how Salamoni handled it.
Being overly aggressive is a sure way to get someone killed.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:34 am to Antonio Moss
You are correct! They would be. But in court of public opinion, we would be right back here in the same situation
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:34 am to dukke v
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Was basically a loner career criminal that lived on the streets yet HIS people STILL think he did NOTHING WRONG......
This doesn't have anything to do with this incident per se, but how someone with this rap sheet wasn't sent away for like 30 years is a problem. He was a habitual offender to say the least. I thought felony possession of a firearm was an automatic 10 years alone?
9/09/96 aggravated battery
10/31/97 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 simple battery
5/04/00 public intimidation
9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 domestic violence
5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 receiving stolen things
9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:36 am to OptionRight
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. Salamoni, while not an alter boy, did the best he could to try and get all 3 out of there alive, it didn’t shake out that way.
OK.. Fine... Yet he language an attitude the minute he showed up was way more aggressive than it should have been... Lake seemed calm just trying to do what he could... Sal was an aggresser from the start... NOT defending Sterling at all.. But the cop was out o control with power IMO..........
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:38 am to Antonio Moss
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That's a garabage report; I've read it before.
And it only gives mention of the preamble of excessive use of force.
It has a link to the policy in the report, but the policy is incredibly vague.
Methinks that's on purpose. It gives the department flexibility to distance themselves from someone like Salamoni but can be interpreted to protect them from civil suits if someone is harmed.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:38 am to dukke v
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Yet he language an attitude the minute he showed up was way more aggressive than it should have been...
Correct. It's a textbook case of how you exacerbate the situation, and not diffuse it.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
Cmon Roger, that’s a cop out answer...Frame it for me...I’d like to hear it...This story has no happy fricking ending...Sad part is, this piece of shite didn’t care about himself or living decent....he was a parasite plain and simple and he took Salamoni with him....that’s the facts
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:39 am to fallguy_1978
I’d like to know how an armed person should have initially been handled in a case like this if done by the book. I can’t for the life of me bring myself to believe that Salamoni’s actions up until the tackle were remotely close to how he was trained to handle the situation. If he was not trained to deal with an armed person and to avoid escalation if possible, that’s on BRPD.
In the end, Sterling dug his own grave.
In the end, Sterling dug his own grave.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Everybody who agrees with the firing of Salamoni and thinks AS was murdered should have to go through the Shoot/Don’t Shoot scenario. I think the Mayor and Gary Chambers should be the first ones to go. Hey Gary, if you are reading this, do you accept the challenge?
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:43 am to dukke v
Lake seemed to be getting close to having the situation under control before Salamoni rolled up and decided to escalate the situation by going on a power trip. AS was giving resistance to them but they could of got him cuffed while they had him pinned on the hood of the car if Salamoni hadn't gone nuclear.
This post was edited on 3/31/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:43 am to OptionRight
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I’m not quite sure how you would have de-escalated the situation. Salamoni, while not an alter boy, did the best he could to try and get all 3 out of there alive, it didn’t shake out that way.
It pretty much boils down to this - do you want Salamoni on the streets going forward? I don't.
I don't believe he was out there trying to kill a man, but his behavior makes it pretty clear he has difficulty staying calm under high pressure. That's a fault in his profession.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:44 am to OptionRight
2 officers can't control a suspect.
Suspect is tasered, no response from suspect.
1 officer decides after the taser does nothing, the next best option is to tackle the suspect? That's just stupid.
Both officers are drawn on the suspect. Continue verbal commands fromna safe distance to deescalate the situation and subdue the suspect.
Get down on your knees. Hands on your head.
Suspect is tasered, no response from suspect.
1 officer decides after the taser does nothing, the next best option is to tackle the suspect? That's just stupid.
Both officers are drawn on the suspect. Continue verbal commands fromna safe distance to deescalate the situation and subdue the suspect.
Get down on your knees. Hands on your head.
Posted on 3/31/18 at 10:44 am to dukke v
I agree with your post...I do admit that Salamoni was at a 10 when he should have been at 6....As you are driving there, radio traffic, voice inflections amp you up a bit...mind racing....I’ll agree with this...Is it the cause of non compliance? Doubt it, I’m sure it didn’t help though
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