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re: SAIP: Study: Vaccines don't lower viral load in Delta breakthrough cases. Goalposts moved
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:56 am to lsupride87
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:56 am to lsupride87
I hate to be a pita, but as someone so torn by this seriously, the J&J is the most old school, correct?
I want nothing to do with spike proteins and I truly can't tell you why. I just don't.
I want nothing to do with spike proteins and I truly can't tell you why. I just don't.
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:56 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I know 7 people who have tested positive for COVID over the past 3 weeks. 6 were vaccinated and one was a 3 year old.
You're implying that breakthrough infections are common.
Breakthrough infections are not "rare". And that is why there is a ton of talk about boosters.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:56 am to LSU316
quote:
It's at least as good, and probably way better, as the flu shot that 60% of the country clamors over themselves to get every single year.
It’s less effective than it lol. And we’ve had that for decades
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
It’s less effective than it lol.
Wut
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to loogaroo
Covid
The crisis that is so bad you need to be reminded 20x a day that’s it’s totes a fer realz crisis and you should be skeered. So just take the jab. Cmon take it. Why don’t you want a jab bro? Take it already. Cmon bro take the jab.
The crisis that is so bad you need to be reminded 20x a day that’s it’s totes a fer realz crisis and you should be skeered. So just take the jab. Cmon take it. Why don’t you want a jab bro? Take it already. Cmon bro take the jab.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to lsupride87
quote:You think "Zero covid" is a possibilty?
However, this in no way woodsheds the purpose of the idea
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:
I know 7 people who have tested positive for COVID over the past 3 weeks. 6 were vaccinated and one was a 3 year old.
Breakthrough infections are not "rare". And that is why there is a ton of talk about boosters.
Your anecdotes are great.... and convenient.
And even if they're legit, any of those people hospitalized? Showing any real symptoms?
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 8:58 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to lsupride87
quote:
The data used for the study do not show how likely it is that a fully vaccinated person with the Delta variant can pass on the infection to another individual, compared to an unvaccinated individual with the virus. But the high viral loads found in the study are a strong indicator that the risks of transmission from both vaccinated and unvaccinated people with the Delta variant could be similar.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Why all the talk about boosters then?
Your anecdotes are great.... and convenient.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:57 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:What?
You think "Zero covid" is a possibilty?
No
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:58 am to TheeRealCarolina
quote:
It’s less effective than it lol. And we’ve had that for decades
That is just patently false.
ETA Listen the misinformation that the CDC and other public health orgs spew daily on case counts, deaths, hospitalization, and the vaccine is incredibly harmful to the public in general. However, this kind of misinformation is exactly the same....it is all a great disservice to the public.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:58 am to loogaroo
quote:I think you need to go to bed, and maybe tomorrow will be a better day
loogaroo
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:58 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:
Why all the talk about boosters then?
I'm not talking about them
I love how yall always just jump from one shitty point to the next 
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:59 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:
Why all the talk about boosters then?
because its been proven that old people's immunity sucks, even with vaccinations
Posted on 8/19/21 at 8:59 am to lsupride87
quote:If herd immunity is not a possibility, the vaccines are protecting yourself, not so much about protecting others. That was my point about woodshedding the vaccine passports.
What?
No
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:00 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
The money train keeps rolling. Jump on, take the ride. We will deal with the repercussions later.
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:01 am to LNCHBOX
quote:No, I have never claimed that the vaccines don't protect people from severe infection.
And even if they're legit, any of those people hospitalized? Showing any real symptoms?
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:01 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:It is clearly both
the vaccines are protecting yourself, not so much about protecting others
The vaccine protects you because you are less likely to get any infection and severe infection
Since this is true, you are also reducing your chances of spreading it to others
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:03 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:
No, I have never claimed that the vaccines don't protect people from severe infection.
But we're discussing infections with viral loads high enough to spread the virus, so...
Posted on 8/19/21 at 9:05 am to loogaroo
quote:
The data used for the study do not show how likely it is that a fully vaccinated person with the Delta variant can pass on the infection to another individual, compared to an unvaccinated individual with the virus. But the high viral loads found in the study are a strong indicator that the risks of transmission from both vaccinated and unvaccinated people with the Delta variant could be similar.
You're just rephrasing the OP again
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