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re: Roe v Wade officially overturned
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:50 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:50 am to whatiknowsofar
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Yes. If you are removing before the child is carried to term through procedure its still considered an abortion. Shows me how ignorant you are when it comes to women's health.
As Salmon said, no states will make it illegal for a dead fetus
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And when it's not used as that and women are put at risk?
There are exceptions that exists like if the mother’s life is at risk so…
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It's about choice.
In most cases, the mother is using abortion as BC
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Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:51 am to WestCoastAg
quote:Kinda. I don’t see a new fetus as a baby though. The hairs on my neck don’t stand up when I hear of someone taking plan b or having an abortion at 17 weeks
thats literally what abortion is
Now one at 30 plus weeks? Or even in the mid twenties, yeh, that feels bad to me
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:51 am to Harry Caray
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The context is that the crime rates were rising between 1974 and 1989 before inexplicably falling in the 90s - a wave of people who would've been born into poverty and turned to crime weren't born between that time to become adults.
Well you said the first 15 years after Roe was decided. After 1989, the crime rate increased before falling, though it stayed remarkably high until dropping below 4,000 in the mid-noughties. I don't think this is inexplicable, as the drop in crime could be due to multiple factors, including decreased environmental exposure to lead (from gasoline, as suggested by the medical sciences), increased investment in downtrodden downtown areas across the US (as suggested by neoliberals and urban planners) and other policy measures. They might conclude it was inexplicable, because Freakonomics, like most of those books on specialized topics, took great liberties with relaying those topics (looking at you Malcolm Gladwell).
Again, I have to go look at the context again, but the drop in crime is explicable, but the approach to answering why it dropped would not be specifically economic, which might be an explanation as to why an economist might suggest a particular topic's opacity. The fact that the approach to answering a question like that is interdisciplinary dissuades researchers from suggesting society-wide conclusions is a downside of our extreme specialization at the research level.
TL;DR: Don't trust everything you read.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:52 am to xXLSUXx
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This country is going backwards.
We did vote Biden in
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:52 am to lsupride87
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I don’t see a new fetus as a baby though.
That's dumb.
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The hairs on my neck don’t stand up when I hear of someone taking plan b or having an abortion at 17 weeks
Your baby can be kicking you at 17 weeks.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:53 am to Tigerbait357
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We did vote Biden in
Not really
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:53 am to LNCHBOX
quote:And would have 0 chance of survival as a human outside of the womb.
Your baby can be kicking you at 17 weeks.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:54 am to bad93ex
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This is conveniently being overlooked by those screaming loudest, even Texas allows abortions under certain parameters.
That and, as I pointed out, it is now simply a state issue
If you are a whore that needs abortions constantly then you might want to move to CA, NY, etc
Outside of that, no one will truly be impacted other than now they might have to use condoms, BC, etc.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:54 am to Harry Caray
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And would have 0 chance of survival as a human outside of the womb.
That makes the child less human somehow?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to Harry Caray
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And would have 0 chance of survival as a human outside of the womb.
Every baby has a zero percent chance of survival without some other human involvement. This is another stupid bit of logic.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to LNCHBOX
And completely unviable on its own. It feels different for me, and alot of others as well
If it was my law however to make as dictator, I would make abortions of convenience only legal up to 13 weeks.
If it was my law however to make as dictator, I would make abortions of convenience only legal up to 13 weeks.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to Harry Caray
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And would have 0 chance of survival as a human outside of the womb.
What point do you think this makes?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to crazy4lsu
Has anyone ever looked at the Turnaway Study done on women denied abortions?
This isn't being done for you right to lifers. It's about keeping poor people poor, our sick sick. Your hospitals can charge you more money if you have to carry to term. Banks can charge you higher interest if your credit is shite. It's staring us in the face and yet emotion is blinding this country.
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We see economic hardship for people who had a child before they were ready, and we measure that through self-reported living in poverty—their income relative to household size—and we can also see it when we look at their credit reports. We can see that people who sought abortions had the same credit scores prior to the pregnancy, and after one group gave birth..., you can see in their credit records, you can see in their public financial records, that the group denied abortions experienced greater bankruptcies, evictions and debt than other people who received their wanted abortion.
We actually see more economic hardship for children, too. Often people say their reason for getting an abortion is to take care of the kids they already have. And [among those who are denied an abortion] we see those existing children are more likely to live in poverty, less likely to achieve developmental milestones than the children whose mothers were able to get an abortion.
This isn't being done for you right to lifers. It's about keeping poor people poor, our sick sick. Your hospitals can charge you more money if you have to carry to term. Banks can charge you higher interest if your credit is shite. It's staring us in the face and yet emotion is blinding this country.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to Harry Caray
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And would have 0 chance of survival as a human outside of the womb.
so lets be sure to kill before it gets there so our conscience is clean
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:55 am to LNCHBOX
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That makes the child less human somehow?
You're asking someone who is one step away from saying we should eradicate any group of people who are prone to crime or poverty.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:56 am to stout
quote:The fact that you included whore in this response is all someone needs to know about your world view.
If you are a whore that needs abortions constantly then you might want to love to CA, NY, etc Outside of that, no one will truly be impacted other than now they might have to use condoms, BC, etc.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:56 am to LNCHBOX
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As if those poor people aren't already spitting out babies for the government checks
I’m confused, which is normal, because I’m dumb—are you saying that this won’t cause poor people to have more babies, or are you saying that you don’t mind paying for them?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:56 am to Cosmo
This will result in some inflamed women
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:56 am to whatiknowsofar
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We see economic hardship for people who had a child before they were ready, and we measure that through self-reported living in poverty—their income relative to household size—and we can also see it when we look at their credit reports. We can see that people who sought abortions had the same credit scores prior to the pregnancy, and after one group gave birth..., you can see in their credit records, you can see in their public financial records, that the group denied abortions experienced greater bankruptcies, evictions and debt than other people who received their wanted abortion.
Sounds like they need to not get knocked up by people they dont want to marry and use all of the various forms of BC that are out there.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 9:57 am to whatiknowsofar
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It's about keeping poor people poor, our sick sick. Your hospitals can charge you more money if you have to carry to term. Banks can charge you higher interest if your credit is shite.
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and yet emotion is blinding this country.
oh the fricking irony.
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