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Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:15 pm to mattloc
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My last post on the subject...the evidence is all around you if you open your mind. There can be no other explanation. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be true...said the ultimate man of reason. The universe, and the building blocks of life, did not magically appear. Therefor the universe must have been created by a higher being.
While I agree that there are many things about the origin of the universe and life that we don't understand, and would label myself more of an agnostic than atheist, this in no way makes Christianity more reasonable of a choice than any other religion.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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What never seems to happen is that the more reasonable believers step in and say, "Wait...what did you just say about Noah's Ark?!? to their more, um...nuttier kin.
I think the simple answer here is that they already believe, and the more rational and mentally sound see an opportunity to convey our beliefs to those that are more lost, or have not been exposed to Christian views. It's not up to me to convince you, but it is my duty to step in when someone that is trying to stand up for their beliefs, yet has no feel for argument structure or debate, is getting owned. Or maybe those people are don't have a firm grasp on what they believe in, and it will help to hear 2 people go back and forth that have conviction and rational in what they believe in. Something to add is that part of Christianity is ministry, we are urged to spread the word; not everyone can effectively do this - we are all shaking our heads at the guys with signs on Bourbon street. The point that is missed on the Christian side is that its not our job to convince someone, but just spread the word. I am just trying to provide some perspective here for you, as I wouldn't be wasting my time if I didn't understand your confusion.
And again, if I can recognize that there are people on the Christian side that, for lack of a better term, don't have their stories straight, I don't see how it is hard for you to not recognize it on your side. I mean there are certainly people that don't believe in God specifically bc they don't like the idea of being judged.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Again...why would I even think of such a thing if I don;t think they're real?
To this question, I will say that there are teachings, and a lifestyle that come with Christianity. That lifestyle includes church. Church doesn't just mean hymns and prayer, it means community and helping others do what they can't do on their own. It can mean a lot of different things and people have different experiences, and there are currently no regulations on the relationships you can have with God.
That's great that you made it through tough times with the help of family and friends, but some people have neither, and others have gone through worse than you have. I mean people like you act as if religion and faith have no benefit to society whatsoever. Dangerous? People not knowing how to argue on a message board is dangerous to you? Well let me just shed some more perspective for you; many good religious families, regardless of denomination, view the people of the world that are trying to eliminate religion from society as dangerous, as religion is the primary source of moral foundation in society; a society that has diminishing morals.
Note that I am responding to your argument with another poster and not ignoring it.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 7:42 pm to CottonWasKing
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Tell that to Catholicism. It's so steeped in tradition and rituals it may as well be choreographed.
One hour per week. Its actually up to you to fill in the blanks with your own thoughts for the other 99% of your life.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:11 pm to OceanMan
I thought this thread was about demons! Looks like its a bunch of pseudointellectuals claiming their devout belief in nothingness and Christians trying to prove them otherwise.
Christians-keep the faith and atheists- anticipate becoming fertilizer. Don't waste time trying to convert one another.
Christians-keep the faith and atheists- anticipate becoming fertilizer. Don't waste time trying to convert one another.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:14 pm to HappyTownTiger
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I thought this thread was about demons! Looks like its a bunch of pseudointellectuals claiming their devout belief in nothingness and Christians trying to prove them otherwise.
Christians-keep the faith and atheists- anticipate becoming fertilizer. Don't waste time trying to convert one another.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:34 pm to mattloc
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My last post on the subject...the evidence is all around you if you open your mind. There can be no other explanation. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be true...said the ultimate man of reason. The universe, and the building blocks of life, did not magically appear. Therefor the universe must have been created by a higher being.
This makes no sense whatsoever
Posted on 1/28/14 at 8:57 pm to TheIndulger
I suppose it makes much more sense to believe that your ancestor, the planet upon which you reside and the 100 billion or so observable galaxies just .....materialized out of absolutely nothing at all.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:05 pm to mattloc
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I suppose it makes much more sense to believe that your ancestor, the planet upon which you reside and the billion or so known solar systems materialized out of absolutely nothing at all.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:45 pm to mattloc
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I suppose it makes much more sense to believe that your ancestor, the planet upon which you reside and the 100 billion or so observable galaxies just .....materialized out of absolutely nothing at all.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:51 pm to mattloc
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I suppose it makes much more sense to believe that your ancestor, the planet upon which you reside and the 100 billion or so observable galaxies just .....materialized out of absolutely nothing at all.
It makes about as little or as much sense as God materializing out of absolutely nothing..the argument goes both ways.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:05 pm to TheIndulger
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It makes about as little or as much sense as God materializing out of absolutely nothing..the argument goes both ways.
Its really not much of an argument.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:10 pm to mattloc
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I suppose it makes much more sense to believe that your ancestor, the planet upon which you reside and the 100 billion or so observable galaxies just .....materialized out of absolutely nothing at all.
Because it makes more sense that a floating, ever present, omnipotent deity in the sky waved his hand and made it all come together right? Are you high?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:12 pm to TheIndulger
So we have drawn a sound logical premise for the existence of a higher being. That cannot be disproven. If religious individuals choose to believe in a God who has always been and that he created the universe from nothing, let them do so in peace.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:14 pm to The Calvin
Not yet, but if I stay in this thread, I may be
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:16 pm to mattloc
The OT can suck the fun out of anything. You bros are just too smart/awesome for your own good 
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:17 pm to BigEdLSU
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BigEdLSU
You claim to have seen and heard "spirits"
It goes without saying that I don't believe a word of that, no more than i believe in fairy godmothers, hobgoblins or the abominable snowman. Not trying to be an arse, really.
I know there are things that we can't explain fully, but most phenomena to which man puts a name to is usually discovered to be natural or by the man's own imagining(again no offense).
So please explain to me if you will exactly what you saw, if anyone else saw it, and how and why these "spirits" were authentic in their revealing themselves to you
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:17 pm to mattloc
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So we have drawn a sound logical premise for the exitence of a higher being. That cannot be disproven. If religious individuals choose to believe in a God who has always been and that he created the universe from nothing, let them do so in peace.
I've come across more pushy Christians than atheists. That ability to practice your faith without interference kinda' should be part & parcel with avoiding proselytizing and condemning people who don't share the same view. (Not saying you do that personally, but I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from).
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:28 pm to Come2Conquer
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I've come across more pushy Christians than atheists
Why would an atheist be pushy? Whats he pushing? That he is smarter than you?
Honestly the atheists on here don't bother me too badly...but when I meet one in real life, they tend to be the most self-indulgent assholes I have ever met...which leads me to believe the ones on here are like that in real life, which is not fair because I run into the more outspoken ones outside the confines of the OT. It typically seems like they take the position of atheism for the sake of being able to argue and belittle.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:31 pm
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