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re: Question about youth sportsPosted by lake chuck fan on 3/21/23 at 12:35 pm to burger bearcat
My son is 22, he started playing tournament baseball at age 10 because rec ball was just terrible. He wasn't on same level with most of the kids on tournament team, but he wanted to be so we worked on it. He worked hard and it paid off. In high school he was an all district pitcher and offensive lineman. He learned a great lesson, sometimes you have to work your arse off for something you want. Some have to work harder than others at different things. It's about how bad you want it.
Work and get better where the coach has to play you. Or don't, and be average. I never blamed the coaches, thought it sent my son the wrong message. Worked for him, he's in his 3rd year of med school.
Work and get better where the coach has to play you. Or don't, and be average. I never blamed the coaches, thought it sent my son the wrong message. Worked for him, he's in his 3rd year of med school.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by TeddyPadillac on 3/21/23 at 12:37 pm to pelicanpride
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Show me that you have it between the ears playing LF, and NOW I don’t have to waste time practicing you there anymore, and I can let you try to learn 2B at practice
You're basically telling him that 2nd base is more important than LF. We hide gets in the outfield all the time. When a ball is booted by a 2nd basemen, a single happens. When a ball gets booted by an outfielder, a homerun happens.
I don't even know what having it between the ears in baseball even means. Either you know how to field a ground ball or you don't. There's no thinking that needs to be done. You either know how to judge a pop fly and catch it or you don't. You don't have to think about it. Getting mad at a kid for forgetting to backup a play in the long boring arse sport of 9u baseball is silly. Now if by the end of the season they aren't doing it, that's a different question, but for the first few weeks you have to expect multiple mental errors from everyone.
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I truly wonder if some of you have ever played a sport before.
I played every sport, and excelled at them, and my youngest is the same way. I have had other coaches literally ask me why i don't play my kid, them not knowing its my kid, at this position the whole game, or why i don't give him the ball every time in football, or why i don't run every basketball play for him. Even the parents on our own team have said this from time to time. My kid is 9. He's had box and 1's played on him in basketball. he's had a man follow him around on flag football while everyone else plays zone. he's had a kid play man to man on him on the fricking soccer field. It's beyond ridiculous what some people do at that age to try to win games.
At 9 years old, everyone is going to shoot the basketball on my team several times. Everyone is going to get multiple chances to run the football, and get a pass thrown to them. Everyone is going to play forward in soccer to get a chance to score. Everyone is going to pitch or play infield, and no one is going to bat last every time. As the season progresses, you'll be surprised to see how certain kids will start to understand that they are better at certain roles, and want to play those roles b/c thats where they are best at. They know they aren't the best scorer in soccer, or the best dribbler and shooter, or the best running back b/c they were given the chance to do so and they can recognize that kids like my own kid are the better player. When you play a team sport and the other kids are having fun and recognize that a certain kid or two needs to be the one shooting, while they focus on defense, and it's done naturally by them realizing it themselves instead of teh coach never giving them the chance to realize it, then your team and those kids will be better in the long run.
We played two 9u basketball tourneys, won one and lost in the finals in the other, and we had 10 kids on our team and everyone played. 3 of them literally could barely catch a pass, but they played in the championship games, while our opponent had 2 of their 8 kids literally not play a single minute. Imagine being 9 years old on your school basketball team and not playing a single minute in a game, and that happened in the semifinals and finals. It's pathetic and disgusting.
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You make a lot of assumptions about me as a coach in that post above that are completely inaccurate.
I did, and you're right, i don't know you, and you may be a great coach. But i don't agree with you wanting to not have fair play in 9 and 10u. The fact that we have to have that rule is pathetic. There's no reason a 9 or 10 year old should not play in a sport they signed up to play, or have to be relegated to barely playing and being an afterthought on the team. You have no idea what that kid will end up like in 4 or 5 years physically.
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The kids who play for me do walk away from the season having developed a love of baseball
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Maybe I’m lucky to live in an area with a lot of first generation Americans whose parents expect their kids to work for what they get.
When they are 8 and 9, they shouldn't have to work to get a chance to play. I understand starting that more as they get older, but relegating kids to certain positions and not giving them game opportunities at that age is pathetic. Certain kids step up and play better in the game than they ever do in practice. Some kids look awesome in practice, and shite the bed in the games. You have to give every kid a chance to do well or shite the bed in the game, and even if they shite the bed, you work wiht them and give them more chances. They'll eventually figure it out themselves that maybe they just aren't that good. That's something that they should find out on their own after being given chances, not b/c a coach deemed they weren't worthy of the chance to fail or succeed b/c they were too small, or didn't pay attention the whole time in the 2 hour long practice when they were 9 years old. When they realize that, they'll either decide to work harder to get better, or they'll quit. Let them decide that though. As long as they work hard, they should continue to be given chances, even if they suck.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by LSUfan4444 on 3/21/23 at 12:49 pm to burger bearcat
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Is this a pretty normal experience with youth sports?
The disparity in youth coaches is vast and leagues lack quality volunteer coaches so unfortunately, yes. Doesnt matter where you play or if the rec league is $100 - $300.
Some coaches are good and some suck.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Oilfieldbiology on 3/21/23 at 1:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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As long as they work hard, they should continue to be given chances, even if they suck.
This is the only thing I demand of the kids on our team. If they do not hustle during drills or are CONSTANTLY messing around and not paying attention I get pissed.
Our team is very young (6-8), so I don’t expect laser like focus at all times, but you can’t be goofing off every second of practice and then whine that you don’t know what to do and cry that you only play shite roles.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by pelicanpride on 3/21/23 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You're basically telling him that 2nd base is more important than LF.
It is at the 9u/10u level, but even if it weren’t, there is more to remember at 2B. Learning 2 positions at once is difficult. I have an 11 year old this season who has never played before. Doesn’t know anything, not how to run the bases, not how to stand in the box, not to tag up on a fly ball, literally nothing. He’s naturally athletic and a really good kid. He comes early to practice, so I can work with him on throwing harder. I was initially trying to teach him RF and 2B at once in practice, and with all of the other information coming at him, you could tell he was drowning. So I told him I was going to keep him in OF until he learned that. I could see the relief on his face because the kid was drinking through a fire hose.
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I don't even know what having it between the ears in baseball even means. Either you know how to field a ground ball or you don't. There's no thinking that needs to be done.
I don’t know what to say to this comment. There is literally something to do on every play, and a good coach is teaching that. And that doesn’t even include little things like proper footwork, turning glove side, etc.
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But i don't agree with you wanting to not have fair play in 9 and 10u. The fact that we have to have that rule is pathetic.
It’s Little League. Every kid will bat and play. But I don’t think coaches should be forced to play 9u and 10u kids 1 inning of IF. It’s too much information for the kids who have never played. See my comment above. I know multiple other coaches who don’t like the rule either. Regardless, it exists in our league, and I follow it. I strongly believe it would be better for everyone’s long term development (the weaker and the stronger players) if I were able to work those kids into the IF when they are ready.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by geauxturbo on 3/21/23 at 1:20 pm to burger bearcat
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Is this a pretty normal experience with youth sports?
We played Upward in the fall, it was really good. Kids all got equal playing time (it was charted), kids were matched up man on man by skill level so if your kid did get the ball he didn't get slaughtered by 4 to 5 other kids. You had to guard your matching color band unless they went in the paint. Player development was excellent and playing as a team was encouraged and followed.
I was pretty impressed with how well they did. It wasn't perfect, 8 year olds are going to 8 year old, but every kid on our our team scored and about half scored quite often. More than half took plenty of shots. They worked on setting picks, passing, rebounds, dribbling, layups, etc. Our coach did a real good job with the kids. I really enjoyed watching the kids improve over the course of the season.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Dire Wolf on 3/21/23 at 1:27 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I can’t believe there are parents that care so deeply about winning they are willing to make a kid miserable and quit, even though he actually wants to try and play.
When i was like 8 or 9, i had a coach (solid 300 lbs) tell me to strike out in a game in hopes that his son would come up the next inning before we hit the time limit. I think I took a walk but one or the other the game ended and the 2/3 of us that didn't strike out got chewed out for not being team players.
I didn't quit baseball for a year or two but clearly, it made an impact cause I still remember it. I know how lame it is to tell that story BTW.
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re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Earnest_P on 3/21/23 at 1:29 pm to burger bearcat
I coach my own kid in baseball because most people don’t want to coach.
I obsess over spreading playing time and at-bats equally, keeping a tracking spreadsheet for opportunities and performance and then basing lineups off of a combination of who has earned opportunities, needs more opportunities, or just isn’t going to try. My kid is lumped in with all the others.
I think I’m a weirdo for going to these lengths, but I’ll be damned if most people don’t do the exact opposite and literally only think about winning in constructing their lineups (I’m talking age 12 and below in leagues where you only get bragging rights for winning).
You see it as young as 8-9 years old in rec ball, with some of the dads clearly losing their shite over what is going on during the games, making it clear that it’s all about them.
It’s almost worse when the coach’s kid sucks, though, and he still plays him at shortstop and bats him 3rd.
I obsess over spreading playing time and at-bats equally, keeping a tracking spreadsheet for opportunities and performance and then basing lineups off of a combination of who has earned opportunities, needs more opportunities, or just isn’t going to try. My kid is lumped in with all the others.
I think I’m a weirdo for going to these lengths, but I’ll be damned if most people don’t do the exact opposite and literally only think about winning in constructing their lineups (I’m talking age 12 and below in leagues where you only get bragging rights for winning).
You see it as young as 8-9 years old in rec ball, with some of the dads clearly losing their shite over what is going on during the games, making it clear that it’s all about them.
It’s almost worse when the coach’s kid sucks, though, and he still plays him at shortstop and bats him 3rd.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by pelicanpride on 3/21/23 at 1:31 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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quote:As long as they work hard, they should continue to be given chances, even if they suck.
This is the only thing I demand of the kids on our team.
I think this is where our disconnect is. Y’all are making the assumption that I am sticking kids in OF and not working with them. I was CF in high school. I love OF. I invest more in terms of time and money in other people’s children than the vast majority of rec league coaches. We run stations at practice. I’m not just sticking the weaker kids in OF and never working to improve them as players. In fact, any LL coach who has been around for a while will tell you that you win because you get production from your bottom half players.
With that said, it is a fact that there are huge gaps in knowledge and talent in Little League. I think it’s in everyone’s interest if the new kids slowly get worked into things once they start to learn the game. Back when I was a kid, coaches had the autonomy to make those decisions. I can’t prove it, but I strongly suspect that taking that autonomy away is a big reason that select baseball exists.
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re: Question about youth sportsPosted by TeddyPadillac on 3/21/23 at 2:23 pm to pelicanpride
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I don’t know what to say to this comment. There is literally something to do on every play, and a good coach is teaching that. And that doesn’t even include little things like proper footwork, turning glove side, etc.
I know there is. but i also don't expect every kid to do this at age 9. It's a boring arse game. and when you move kids around they can forget the little things they are supposed to do every play. Some kids are idiots, and just can't do it. Some kids just don't care. They are 9 and that needs to be remembered. What they do as a 9 year old doesn't dictate what they'll do when they are 12. Sports clicks for certain kids at different ages. Some kids will do this when they are 6, some won't realize these things until they are 12 or 14. Some will never realize it.
Baseball is a simple sport. learning positions isn't this difficult task. field the ball and throw it to first. field the ball and hit your cut off. it's really not complicated. There is no need to go over all kinds of different scenarios and how to react to them in practice. If a kid at 2nd fields a ball and throws it to first when there was a runner on 1st, oh well. If that makes him comfortable, then that's what he should do. With experience, he'll be more comfortable maybe tagging the runner, or throwing to second. You over complicate it and you won't get anyone out. They'll learn how to react to certain scenarios as they happen. it'll stick with them much more if it happens in the game and they make the mistake than doing it 10 times in practice, at least at that age. Most don't have the attention span that a 12+ will have to learn things in practice like that.
I think the biggest issue with youth coaching is the coach too often gets mad at mistakes and doesn't do enough praising the good work. And trust me, i'm not a participation trophy guy or the guy that is happy go lucky and doesn't care about winning. But you have to know your audience. 9 year olds aren't going to give the best effort if they are constantly being fussed. and they are going to make plenty of mistakes. So many kids have that scared puppy look after every time they make a mistake, looking back at the coach waiting to get yelled at. Mistakes are going to happen, big deal. Help them learn how to correct the mistake, and do it in an encouraging way, not a belittling way.We learn best from our mistakes, but we have to actually be given the chances to make those mistakes.
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re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Oilfieldbiology on 3/21/23 at 2:55 pm to pelicanpride
I think you and I are disagreeing at the margins. We, on the whole, agree about the development. Our team is very young and very inexperienced.
Me and the other coaches want to let all of the kids try all the positions through the first 4-5 games of the year, see where they are best at, and then for the last 5-4 games of the season have them in their spots where everyone only has a primary position and a secondary position. Ideally one IF and one OF, but I’m not going to put the lid that’s afraid to catch the ball at catcher or 1B.
At this age (8u) we need to absolutely hammer fundamentals and hammer the urgency of getting the ball to the pitcher to stop the runners.
Me and the other coaches want to let all of the kids try all the positions through the first 4-5 games of the year, see where they are best at, and then for the last 5-4 games of the season have them in their spots where everyone only has a primary position and a secondary position. Ideally one IF and one OF, but I’m not going to put the lid that’s afraid to catch the ball at catcher or 1B.
At this age (8u) we need to absolutely hammer fundamentals and hammer the urgency of getting the ball to the pitcher to stop the runners.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by MikeBRLA on 3/21/23 at 3:06 pm to pelicanpride
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it is a fact that there are huge gaps in knowledge and talent in Little League. I think it’s in everyone’s interest if the new kids slowly get worked into things once they start to learn the game. Back when I was a kid, coaches had the autonomy to make those decisions. I can’t prove it, but I strongly suspect that taking that autonomy away is a big reason that select baseball exists.
IMO the huge gaps in talent are why divisional select/tournament baseball exists. Having A,AA, AAA, and Major levels allows kids to be on a team with kids around their own skill level. That is more fun for everyone bc they are playing with, and against kids close to their talent level.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by pelicanpride on 3/21/23 at 3:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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But you have to know your audience. 9 year olds aren't going to give the best effort if they are constantly being fussed.
No idea why you are making this assumption about me. I am absolutely not that kind of coach.
Also, I disagree that 9 year olds can’t learn how to back up and where to go with the ball. Of course, when you have a kid who has never played, that child will be overwhelmed with the sheer volume of information. That’s why I would like to put them at a single (likely OF) position to reduce what they have to learn. I don’t believe the answer is to throw up your hands and say kids that age can’t learn how to play the game properly. I understand they will make mistakes. That’s a given.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by pelicanpride on 3/21/23 at 3:37 pm to MikeBRLA
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IMO the huge gaps in talent are why divisional select/tournament baseball exists. Having A,AA, AAA, and Major levels allows kids to be on a team with kids around their own skill level. That is more fun for everyone bc they are playing with, and against kids close to their talent level.
Agree completely, but the fair play rules of requiring IF from kids who aren’t ready exacerbate the problem.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by TeddyPadillac on 3/21/23 at 3:37 pm to pelicanpride
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No idea why you are making this assumption about me. I am absolutely not that kind of coach.
I"m not, i'm speaking generally. It's just something i see a lot in BR.
You seem like a good coach. i'm more venting about the morons in this area.
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lso, I disagree that 9 year olds can’t learn how to back up and where to go with the ball.
I'm not saying they can't. Some can, some will not. I'm saying don't hold it against them b/c they aren't paying attention at all times. They are 9. Most of them don't care enough to learn the details on how to play properly. They just want to hit. Most will come around on it as the season progresses, and maybe not until the next year.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by pelicanpride on 3/21/23 at 3:40 pm to Oilfieldbiology
My middle child is 8u. It’s mostly herding cats at that age. It gets much more fun once they move into kid pitch.
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Gaston on 3/21/23 at 3:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
Y’all ever have dads that are verbally hard on their sons?
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by namvet6566 on 3/21/23 at 3:55 pm to burger bearcat
You should try umpiring a Youth Baseball Game
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by Oilfieldbiology on 3/21/23 at 3:57 pm to pelicanpride
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Also, I disagree that 9 year olds can’t learn how to back up and where to go with the ball. Of course, when you have a kid who has never played, that child will be overwhelmed with the sheer volume of information.
I’m constantly amazed at how much the CAN pick up. I say that I’m the one constantly underestimating the kids’ mental capacity to get the game while the other coach underestimates their physical ability. Together we make a halfway decent HC
re: Question about youth sportsPosted by geauxbrown on 3/21/23 at 4:05 pm to burger bearcat
No parent should ever be allowed to coach their own child in Rec sports.
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