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President Biden Looks For Ways To Increase U.S. Refining Capacity

Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:45 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:45 pm
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U.S. President Joe Biden continues to look for ways to bring down the high cost of gasoline—and the latest efforts have him taking a hard look at U.S. refinery capacity.

According to White House economic advisor Cecelia Rouse who spoke to CNN in an interview on Friday, the President is looking to see what the administration can do, "whether that's working with oil companies and refineries asking them, 'We recognize your back capacity challenges - what can we do to help you maintain your refining capacity and bring more oil online?'"

Rouse did not elaborate on what this could entail beyond enquiring how they might be of help to the industry.

Meanwhile, the idea of effecting a windfall tax on the profits of oil and gas companies remains on the table, according to Rouse.

Refiners are running at 94.2% of their operable capacity at present
, producing 10 million barrels per day of gasoline and 5 million barrels per day of distillates. Adding additional refining capacity is both a long-term endeavor and a capital-intensive one—such projects could span a decade.

So daunting is the task of building new refineries that a new one hasn't been built in the United States since the '70s.
According to Chevron CEO Mike Wirth, there are unlikely to be any additional refineries added in the United States—ever—with companies having to commit capital today for something that wouldn't return to shareholders for decades—at a time when the rise of the ESG movement is signaling to oil and gas companies that their products may no longer be needed that far into the future.

According to Wirth, the signals that the industry is getting are mixed.



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So the Biden Administration on one hand appears to be begging industry to work with them and let them know how the U.S. government can assist in new investments to increase refining capacity, yet on the other hand is still claiming industry doesn't "pay its fair share" and is still considering "windfall" taxes as retribution.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65559 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:47 pm to

I'd like to know why a gallon of clorox bleach costs more than a gallon of gas. Doesn't seem possible but it do.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70436 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:48 pm to
I just don't understand how they think any of this will workout for them in terms of elections.

It's not even enough that they are pissing off republicans, it's the fact that they are alienating their own base.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58078 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:49 pm to
Yeah that’s wonderful. First we punish you and slam your industry then we tax you more because the market at the moment is allowing you to make good money.
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
26898 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:50 pm to
The President has no control over gas prices though...
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36565 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:51 pm to
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whether that's working with oil companies and refineries asking them, 'We recognize your back capacity challenges - what can we do to help you maintain your refining capacity and bring more oil online?'"


this is what gets me, blame russia all you want but it is not putin's fault that Lyondell and shell were incentivized to get out of the gasoline refining business

now when shite hits the fan, they come crying.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17657 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:51 pm to
So do we fill out a card and mail it in?

It’s refining issue so we have plenty of crude laying around ?
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
873 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:54 pm to
What would be interesting is an actual suggestion of what the government could do to as quickly as possible add capacity rather than begging industry with one hand while stabbing them in the back with the other.

How about something like - the Feds fast track and build their own gigantic refinery and lease it out to an oil company to run. Could use the money coming in from selling off the SPR to pay for the rest.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53425 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:56 pm to
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President Biden Looks For Ways To Increase U.S. Refining Capacity


That's akin to OJ's search for the real killer.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19173 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:56 pm to
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at a time when the rise of the ESG movement is signaling to oil and gas companies that their products may no longer be needed that far into the future.

Okay, we will see how big of a lie that is.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
22019 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:57 pm to
I'm curious to see how high prices will go if a hurricane takes out one or multiple refineries that are on the coast.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57466 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:58 pm to
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at a time when the rise of the ESG movement is signaling to oil and gas companies that their products may no longer be needed that far into the future.


There is no future in 100% electric, nuclear, etc.

Not even mentioning the petroleum byproducts that are used in everyday life.
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21107 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:58 pm to
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it's the fact that they are alienating their own base


That's why you have President Biden now lashing out at Exxon Mobil's profits when he's asked a question about inflation, which is affecting everything and is beyond Exxon's control.

He knows a large part of those middle of the road voters who may have swung over to given Democrats control over the House in recent elections aren't going to vote to keep $4.50+ average gasoline prices going. At the same time, he has to act tough for his enviro-socialist base who has now filed two lawsuits against the Biden Department of Interior.

As a result, the play is to bring class warfare into the equation once again, hence the idiotic rant about Exxon.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62698 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 12:59 pm to
Good place to post this...

Biden campaign promises
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1251 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:04 pm to
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I'd like to know why a gallon of clorox bleach costs more than a gallon of gas. Doesn't seem possible but it do.



If you were buying bleach as a bulk liquid, it's not. Go buy a gallon of gasoline in a container approved for individual retail purchase and get back to us.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36565 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:06 pm to
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As a result, the play is to bring class warfare into the equation once again, hence the idiotic rant about Exxon.


it is his only card to play, anyone that slightly pays attention the o&g market understands how stupid that rant was. However, the "exxon is price gauging" line is going to be popular with democrats.


He should just own it if he or democrats had any backbone. Getting away from gasoline is going to be de-investments which would lead to higher gas prices. To the green policy minded voter, higher gas prices should be a good thing because it could lead to more green energy. Again no one is washington has any backbone.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118798 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:06 pm to
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President Biden Looks For Ways To Increase U.S. Refining Capacity


Really, that's not been his pattern.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37388 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:06 pm to
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According to White House economic advisor Cecelia Rouse who spoke to CNN in an interview on Friday, the President is looking to see what the administration can do, "whether that's working with oil companies and refineries asking them, 'We recognize your back capacity challenges - what can we do to help you maintain your refining capacity and bring more oil online?'"


How about not campaigning on bankrupting the industry as a starter
This post was edited on 6/13/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted by SWCBonfire
South Texas
Member since Aug 2011
1251 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:07 pm to
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Feds

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fast track

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build their own


You should be a comedian
Posted by waiting4saturday
Covington, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9707 posts
Posted on 6/13/22 at 1:08 pm to
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President Biden Looks For Ways To Increase U.S. Refining Capacity


he made his bed, time for him to sleep in it.

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