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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:45 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:45 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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This man was unarmed.
no one knew that until after the fact...
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This man made no aggressive move towards the officers.
The man was ignoring the officers commands, said the car was going to explode,
kept walking away from the officers towards the vehicle that he said was about to explode
He reached inside the vehicle that was about to explode
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My opinion:
you should gather all the facts, process them and then form your opinion
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Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:47 am to dsides
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And you are basing all of that off of what you saw from the video?
no he's basing all that off the opinion he formed in his tiny little brain
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:47 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Weren't you the one that was condemning the police in the Sterling shooting without close watching the video?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:48 am to Nado Jenkins83
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people want to diminish the fact that this guy was acting nuts.
Not according to their story. He was on the way home from class, picking up pizza for his daughter's birthday party and his car stalled. Never mind the PCP in the car, parked running in the middle of the road, claiming it was going to blow up, acting irrational and under the influence, etc.
It's incredible. Facts and reason just don't matter anymore. There are people on this board that would actually convict for murder right now, without anything more than what they saw in a video. Pathetic window lickers.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:48 am to Sid in Lakeshore
FIFY
Undisputed facts:
This man was unarmed.
This man had PCP in his vehicle
The man did not comply to the officers requests
The male officer used less than lethal force.
The female officer used lethal force.
in no way I am saying he should have been shot and killed but this could have been completely avoided if he would have complied in the first place. I do believe the officer involved in the shooting should be terminated from her position. She will most definitely face a civil lawsuit. I am not sold on jail time. Nor do I believe a jury would convict.
Undisputed facts:
This man was unarmed.
This man had PCP in his vehicle
The man did not comply to the officers requests
The male officer used less than lethal force.
The female officer used lethal force.
in no way I am saying he should have been shot and killed but this could have been completely avoided if he would have complied in the first place. I do believe the officer involved in the shooting should be terminated from her position. She will most definitely face a civil lawsuit. I am not sold on jail time. Nor do I believe a jury would convict.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:51 am to tke857
In this situation, he was armed. Having a bomb is considered a weapon. The officer(s) was well within their rights to use force the moment he claimed to have a bomb. Good guys win, again.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:07 pm to AUCE05
There’s also more information that the mainstream media conveniently left out.
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Crutcher had a hefty criminal record before he was shot. In fact, he had just been released in May after nine years in prison for drug trafficking
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He also had a history of resisting arrest. Behold the rap sheet:
1996 Shooting with intent to kill — Dismissed
2001 Petit larceny — Conviction
2004 Driving while suspended — Conviction
2005 Driving while suspended, resisting officer — Conviction
2006 Driving while suspended — Conviction
Driving with open container — Dismissed
2006 Trafficking in illegal drugs — Conviction. (He was also charged in that incident with assault on a police officer and resisting, but that was dismissed.)
2011 Public intoxication (while in prison for drug trafficking) — Conviction
2012 Public intoxication — Conviction
Obstructing an officer — Conviction
2013 DUI — Conviction
Resisting officer — Conviction
Open Container — Conviction
Failure to wear seatbelt — Conviction
Speeding — Conviction
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Take a look at the numerous open warrants for Crutcher. These Aug. 30 warrants were active at the time of his death, and as you can see in the graphic below, they included things like DUI, resisting, drug trafficking and public intoxication.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:26 pm to tgrbaitn08
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The man was ignoring the officers commands, said the car was going to explode,
kept walking away from the officers towards the vehicle that he said was about to explode
He reached inside the vehicle
You keep saying this and it simply isn't true. How is it that his blood ended up on a rolled up drivers side window after the shooting? Did he roll it up after getting shot?
Also him walking back to his car doesn't constitute a threat to life. I have a hard time believing a fair and impartial petit jury would see it that way.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:29 pm to tgrbaitn08
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There’s also more information that the mainstream media conveniently left out.
This serves no purpose other than clouding the issue and minimizing his life. He wasn't killed because of his record.
Are you arguing he is dead because of his past record?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:29 pm to Prominentwon
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I posted this in another thread because I know there are people using the terroist lived and these black folks being gunned down. Thought I'd share my thought on that here too.
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Everyone keeps bringing up the terrorist in NYC as a comparison and him walking out alive. There's a bit of a difference in training in ability between special forces/CIA/FBI going after a guy and wanting him alive and the training of Tammy Joe from bumfrick Oklahoma local sheriff's office that has her husband in the air encouraging her. It's complete different situations.
Partially true yes but also partially false. There's a HUGE and the most important difference that you left out, and that is that in most of these Cops V Black shootings the cops had their guns out, pointed center mass, and were less than 20 feet away from the perp. Basically a target shoot against the black perps. In most of the terrorist shootings, the terrorist is the first to shoot and catches them by surprise or is moving. Its not like the FBI/ Swat/ etc are "trained" to maim or shoot someone in the leg or something. Almost every time one of them has been injured it was just where the bullet landed or the only portion of the perp that was available to shoot. In these traffic stops with the black guys, its a pretty basic shooting situation and hard to miss center mass.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:31 pm to AUCE05
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Having a bomb
Link?
Or are you trying to say you think your car is going to explode is a bomb?
Have you ever seen a car fire? Is that a bomb too?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:32 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You keep saying this and it simply isn't true. How is it that his blood ended up on a rolled up drivers side window after the shooting? Did he roll it up after getting shot?
Also him walking back to his car doesn't constitute a threat to life. I have a hard time believing a fair and impartial petit jury would see it that way.
It is true. Look at the pictures on the previous page that MJ2 posted. He's clearly reaching into the car through the window.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
This serves no purpose other than clouding the issue and minimizing his life. He wasn't killed because of his record.
Are you arguing he is dead because of his past record?
No, I think the point is that its very possible that the cops ran the license plate or knew this guy. Many street cops know these multiple conviction guys, they know the guys that are dangerous because they have been arrested so many times.
Its an absolute fact that someone with a record is more likely to be dangerous and commit more crimes than someone without a record. You absolutely can not argue that. If the cops knew who he was, they would absolutely be more careful because he was absolutely more likely to be dangerous.
Are you arguing he is dead because of his past record?
No, I think the point is that its very possible that the cops ran the license plate or knew this guy. Many street cops know these multiple conviction guys, they know the guys that are dangerous because they have been arrested so many times.
Its an absolute fact that someone with a record is more likely to be dangerous and commit more crimes than someone without a record. You absolutely can not argue that. If the cops knew who he was, they would absolutely be more careful because he was absolutely more likely to be dangerous.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:34 pm to baldona
Falls back to training.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:36 pm to NYNolaguy1
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by NYNolaguy1
You seem extremely clueless about this story.
Have you read anything about the facts and the events that actually took place?
Do you know anything at all about the case?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:38 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Having a bomb
Link?
again, they guy said his car was going to explode...
read up on the facts
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:39 pm to tgrbaitn08
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You seem extremely clueless about this story.
That's a streak of blood across the drivers side window.
How did it get there?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:40 pm to tgrbaitn08
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they guy said his was was going to explode...
read up on the facts
So if I call the fire department when my car is on fire, does that mean I am calling in a bomb threat?
I mean if it explodes it's a bomb, right?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:41 pm to NYNolaguy1
here, since you seem to be ignorant on the subject...
from these pictures I see him reaching into a window that is half way rolled down...which explains why there is blood on the window
LINK
from these pictures I see him reaching into a window that is half way rolled down...which explains why there is blood on the window
LINK
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:42 pm to PropofolPapi
NEWS FLASH: WHEN AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER GIVES YOU A COMMAND FOLLOW IT OR YOUR arse MAY BE SHOT.
Idiots
Idiots
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