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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma

Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:04 am to
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
10510 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:04 am to
Here I'll post it

Dinkheller video

This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 10:05 am
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6149 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:12 am to
quote:

The dude was not even a suspect, his car stalled. The police had no right to even be dealing with him.


You are either intentionally avoiding all of the facts or just flat out ignorant. Assume the latter considering you are an AuBARN fan.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:12 am to
quote:

She murdered a innocent citizen for no reason.



Um, yep.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60502 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:14 am to
Did the police know warrants were out?
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:14 am to
quote:

That was a very similar situation where the officer was hesitant to apply force and it cost him his life


White privilege. If it was a black man they would have shot him as soon as he stepped out







Someone had to do it
Posted by jamalsdeck
Member since Jul 2016
2818 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:15 am to
quote:

he dude was not even a suspect, his car stalled. The police had no right to even be dealing with him. Funny how small government conservatives just bend over and take it when it comes to government murdering citizens.


I don't know enough of the situation, but still unsure how you can know all the facts already.

I do wonder why they approached him with guns drawn like that.. was he reported to have been acting erratic?


Edit to add I found this

quote:

Shelby Was Responding to a Different Incident At about 7:36 p.m. Friday, dispatchers received a 911 call about an abandoned SUV in the middle of a street, with the driver's door open and the engine still running, Tulsa Police Chief Chuck Jordan said Monday. The caller said a man was running from the vehicle, saying it was "going to blow." Shelby and another officer were on their way to a domestic violence call when she came across the SUV, Jordan said. On her way to that call, Shelby saw Crutcher standing in the middle of the road, looking down at the ground, Wood said, adding that she would have stopped and checked up on him had she not been on the other call. She then saw the SUV parked in the middle of the street, obstructing traffic in both directions, Wood said. The engine was running when she got there, which she found odd because she assumed it was either disabled or broken down, he said.



Oh well, I hope they figure it all out.

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When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said. Wood said that Shelby then said to Crutcher, "Hey, is this your car?" Crutcher didn't respond, simply dropping his head while continuing to look at Shelby, "kind of under his brow," Wood said. Crutcher then began to put his hand into his left pocket, Wood said, adding that Shelby told Crutcher, "Hey, please keep your hands out of your pocket while you're talking to me. Let's deal with his car." Crutcher did not respond, Wood said, so Shelby ordered him again to get his hand out of his pocket. He then pulled his hand away and put his hands up in the air, even though he was not instructed to do so, which Shelby found strange, Wood said. Shelby tried to get Crutcher to talk to her, but he simply mumbled something unintelligible and stared at her, Wood said. He then turned and walked to the edge of the roadway and turned to look at her, his hands still in the air, Wood said. He put his hands down and started to reach into his pocket again, Wood said, and she ordered him again to get his hands out of his pocket. At this point, Shelby, a drug recognition expert, believed Crutcher was "on something," Wood said, possibly PCP. Shelby then radioed in that she had a subject "who is not following commands." "You can kind of hear a degree of stress in her voice when she says that," Wood said. Shelby then pulled out her gun and had Crutcher at gunpoint as she commanded him to get on his knees, Wood said. She pulled out a gun instead of a Taser because she thought he had a weapon, and she was planning to arrest him for being intoxicated in public and possibly obstructing the investigation, Wood said. Shelby ordered Crutcher to stop multiple times as Crutcher walked toward the SUV with his hands up, Wood said.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 10:27 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137947 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:16 am to
quote:


I do wonder why they approached him with guns drawn like that.. was he reported to have been acting erratic?


He parked his car in the middle of the street and was telling everyone it was about to blow up.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:16 am to
quote:

his car stalled.


allegedly, it also allegedly was about to explode


quote:

The police had no right to even be dealing with him.


um, if he was high on PCP they did, and it appears that he was


quote:

government murdering citizens.



Who was murdered? Any links to that claim?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94656 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:18 am to
I posted this in another thread because I know there are people using the terroist lived and these black folks being gunned down. Thought I'd share my thought on that here too.

quote:

Everyone keeps bringing up the terrorist in NYC as a comparison and him walking out alive. There's a bit of a difference in training in ability between special forces/CIA/FBI going after a guy and wanting him alive and the training of Tammy Joe from bumfrick Oklahoma local sheriff's office that has her husband in the air encouraging her. It's complete different situations.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:21 am to
very good point
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:25 am to
Undisputed facts:

This man was unarmed.
This man made no aggressive move towards the officers.
The male officer used less than lethal force.
The female officer used lethal force.

My opinion:
This female officer is guilty of murder.
Her irrational state of fear is not a defense for the 100% unjustified use of deadly force against an unarmed person.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:27 am to
quote:

What is the cops reason for the use of deadly force and is it reasonable?




She was scared.

Pathetic, just like all the boot lickers.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6149 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Undisputed facts:

This man was unarmed.
This man made no aggressive move towards the officers.
The male officer used less than lethal force.
The female officer used lethal force.

My opinion:
This female officer is guilty of murder.
Her irrational state of fear is not a defense for the 100% unjustified use of deadly force against an unarmed person.


Thank God there are rational and intelligent people that will consider ALL of the facts, even those not included in the video to make a decision. It's what reasonable people without an agenda do.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22787 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:28 am to
quote:

The dude was not even a suspect, his car stalled. The police had no right to even be dealing with him.


Link? According to the cop his car was running when she pulled up. His car was blocking both lanes of traffic. She wasn't even responding to his call, she was responding to a domestic complaint when she came across a guy acting off with his car blocking two lanes of traffic so she stopped to help him. It was only after he was (according to her) acting as though he was high on something and not complying with her comands that she drew her gun and called for backup.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:30 am to
quote:

very good point



Terrible point.

No person should wield a weapon without the ability to determine the proper use thereof. Irrational fear of what a person MIGHT do is not a defense.

Without a weapon in hand (or close thereto), this is not a justifiable shoot.
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6149 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:32 am to
quote:

Without a weapon in hand (or close thereto), this is not a justifiable shoot.


And you are basing all of that off of what you saw from the video?
Posted by Steve Lurkel
Member since Feb 2015
174 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:33 am to
So not listening to commands and reaching in his vehicle is not aggressive or a threat?

A police officer drew his weapon on me for not having my hands visible during a stop.

You know what I did? I put my hands on the dash as commanded to demonstrate I wasn't a threat. After that everything was fine and I left with a warning. It really is that simple. Comply and all will be fine.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22787 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Irrational fear of what a person MIGHT do is not a defense.


Nobody disagrees. It's going to come down to whether her fear was rational.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
64760 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Nobody disagrees. It's going to come down to whether her fear was rational.


i would say it is. he could have been on bath salts and would have eaten her face.

people want to diminish the fact that this guy was acting nuts.
Posted by Tino
:yawn:
Member since Dec 2004
86225 posts
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:44 am to
Nice melt baw
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