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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:22 pm to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23324 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

An additional problem is that water is very cold


Yep. Probably better than crashing over land, but the water would be hypothermic in minutes I’d assume
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
51339 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:22 pm to
I have to imagine the only thing that makes sense to me is that the Blackhawk didn't inform ATC before leaving. They easily should have seen the plane on approach even if a mix up.

No idea what was going on in that Blackhawk.
Posted by BritLSUfan
Member since Jan 2012
689 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:22 pm to
Interested in how TCAS (Traffic Alert and Collision Avoidance Systems) interact between commercial and military vehicles.

Certainly the regional jet has TCAS and should have received warnings, but only if the mil helicopter was also TCAS equipped and transmitting.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7196 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:22 pm to
Just heard my former trainee worked the day shift, thank God. Bad deal.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23822 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:23 pm to
It’s a miracle in itself that it was over the water. Haven’t heard anything about anyone being hit by debris.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39306 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:23 pm to
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I don’t understand how ATC fricks up this bad

This isn't on ATC . The RJ was on short final, very vulnerable , and if the Blackhawk departed Bolling on a Advisory frequency the Tower and the RJ would have no clue.
Posted by TakingStock
Member since Jun 2009
7334 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

I have to imagine the only thing that makes sense to me is that the Blackhawk didn't inform ATC before leaving. They easily should have seen the plane on approach even if a mix up. No idea what was going on in that Blackhawk.


From the Kennedy Center footage it looked like the Blackhawk flew right into it. Horrible footage.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
14705 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:23 pm to
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This isn't on ATC . The RJ was on short final, very vulnerable , and if the Blackhawk departed Bolling on a Advisory frequency the Tower and the RJ would have no clue.


Send that rec to NTSB during public comment phase
Posted by GeauxLSUGRL
Member since Nov 2014
764 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:24 pm to
Does anyone know where to find the scanner? Thanks
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27811 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:24 pm to
Has it been confirmed a Blackhawk?

Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33036 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

It's going to be hard to survive.


I don’t think that’s survivable.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23822 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:24 pm to
Yes confirmed by multiple outlets and I think the White House.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
51339 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:25 pm to
Also did the Blackhawk turn off it's iff? ATC probably sees it on radar and would desperately try to communicate.. The plane was screwed either way.

Maybe too low for fast enough radar...
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33500 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:25 pm to
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I dont know if this dude is right or not.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:27 pm
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18770 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

Certainly the regional jet has TCAS and should have received warnings,

I’m told TCAS alerts are muted at low low altitude to avoid distractions for pilots that are seconds away from touchdown.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49114 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:26 pm to
Yes the White House confirmed that it was a military helicopter and multiple others are saying it was a Blackhawk.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:26 pm to
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This isn't on ATC .


We don’t know that yet.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
51339 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:28 pm to
Would be hard to pin it on ATC based on the location
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2495 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:28 pm to
It's so the system doesn't give false alerts to for aircraft on the airport surface.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:28 pm to
I hope this doesn't turn into some rogue military guy wanting to suicide himself in some gruesome, grand way.
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