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Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:36 pm to Shexter
Petey was what a pit is supposed to be. This dog was not. This dog wasn't a pure pit.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:36 pm to Shexter
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Petey from Little Rascalls? That doesn't look like a 130 lb. dog. I'd say he's 50 lbs. at best.
Yep
quote:
The original Pete (sired by "Black Jack") was an American Pit Bull Terrier named "Pal the Wonder Dog", and had a natural ring almost completely around his eye; dye was used to finish it off.
However, in the 1994 movie remake it was an American Bulldog
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:43 pm to Shexter
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Petey from Little Rascalls? That doesn't look like a 130 lb. dog. I'd say he's 50 lbs. at best.
Pits don't get to be 130 lbs
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:47 pm to TigerWise
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Pits don't get to be 130 lbs
Correct. Most Pit Bulls are between 25-70 lbs. This is an American Bully, a dog that is bred to be the biggest and strongest dog possible.
Pit Bull vs American Bully
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:58 pm to Herb484
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Sorry but you lack education if you think the whole breed needs to go. Do you not think a dog is a product of its enviroment the same way humans are? I understand as a parent you are concerned but be please be logical.
...I say pass legislation that requires background checks to own one at the very least. So, we don't damn the breed, but keep them out of the care of obvious asshats.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:05 pm to ItFliesItDies
Are all pitbull owners trashy, or just 95 percent of them?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:15 pm to Cole Beer
From my experience,there are two types of pitbull owners:
1)people who are basically white trash or ghetto and bought it
2) middle class animal lovers who rescued one from a shelter
1)people who are basically white trash or ghetto and bought it
2) middle class animal lovers who rescued one from a shelter
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:16 pm to Herb484
quote:
Sorry but you lack education if you think the whole breed needs to go. Do you not think a dog is a product of its enviroment the same way humans are? I understand as a parent you are concerned but be please be logical.
how are siblings raised in the same household different? i mean the exact circumstances raised them.
One goes to college, one goes to jail. Or are the parents to blame?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:21 pm to CharlesLSU
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.I say pass legislation that requires background checks to own one at the very least. So, we don't damn the breed, but keep them out of the care of obvious asshats.
As a pit bull owner/advocate I would support something like this. I know it is not practical and could never happen, but requiring yearly training classes would weed out the trash that wants a pit bull because they look tough.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:25 pm to Cole Beer
quote:
Are all pitbull owners trashy, or just 95 percent of them?
Just 95% of them.
Are all people from Louisiana dumb rednecks or just 95% of them? (I can stereotype too)
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:30 pm to Eighteen
quote:
From my experience,there are two types of pitbull owners:
1)people who are basically white trash or ghetto and bought it
2) middle class animal lovers who rescued one that was raised by white trash or ghetto from a shelter
FIFY
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:40 pm to Shexter
You know you can rescue puppies right?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:14 pm to Eighteen
quote:
From my experience,there are two types of pitbull owners:
1)people who are basically white trash or ghetto and bought it
2) middle class animal lovers who rescued one from a shelter
I'd say #1 extends to basically any culture of people, but those people want a status symbol.. something to look tough, like a motorcycle. They clip the ears, give them 'vitamins' aka steroids, chain them up, get them to drag tires around, etc.
I'm a #2 basically. 'Rescued' my boy from a lower class family, the owner of which was barely a teenager. I spent a lot of time on my dog, and I challenge anyone here to not be fully impressed by his looks, demeanor, and heart. I still keep children away from him because he's scared of them (he hides and cowers behind me.. no aggression).
They're not all created equal. Pit bulls are probably my favorite pet despite the stigma about them, and mine is my world.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:03 pm to Darth_Vader
The "study" which you posted is anecdotal at best. The fact that animal control nor eye witness accounts can't accurately identify breeds of dogs is known. The numbers cited are based upon news accounts, and the "news" is always accurate and never agenda driven. Groups exist for the sole purpose of discrediting certain breeds to satisfy their own agendas.
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From the site:
"Reports are logged as received, and the current log is printed out as requested.
Compiled by the editor of
ANIMAL PEOPLE
from press accounts since 1982, this table covers
only attacks by dogs of clearly identified breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or
others with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets. All accounts are cross-checked by date,
location, and identity of the victim.
Attacks by police dogs, guard dogs, and dogs trained specifically to fight are also excluded.
“Attacks doing bodily harm” includes all fatalities, maimings, and other injuries requiring extensive
hospital treatment. “Maimings” includes permanent disfigurement or loss of a limb.
Where there is an
asterisk (#), please see footnotes. If there are more "attacks" than "victims," it means that there were
multiple dogs involved in some attacks. If the numbers of "victims" does not equal the numbers of
"deaths" and "maimings," it means that some of the victims -- in attacks in which some people were killed
or maimed -- were not killed or maimed. "
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These types of anecdotal "stats" of specific breeds, many of which are misidentified, and data collection methodology are GIGO. I am not stating people were not bitten, injured, nor killed, but that the noted breed specifics should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
The dog that killed the child is clearly not a "pit bull" nor what people would associate with a dog whose normal weight range is 40-75 lbs. What constitutes a Pit Bull?
From a DNA testing company:
Does Wisdom Panel® test for “Pit-bull”?
The term "Pit-bull" is a bit of a misnomer and does not refer to a single, recognized breed of dog, but rather to a genetically diverse group of breeds which are associated by certain physical traits. Pit-bull-type dogs have historically been bred by combining guarding-type breeds with terriers for certain desired characteristics. As such they may retain many genetic similarities to their original breeds and other closely related breeds.
Due to the genetic diversity of this group, Mars Veterinary cannot build a DNA profile to genetically identify every dog that may be visually classified as a Pit-bull. When these types of dogs are tested with the Wisdom Panel®, we routinely detect various quantities of the component purebred dogs including the American Staffordshire Terrier, Boston Terrier, Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Mastiff, Bullmastiff, Boxer, Bulldog, and various other Terriers. Additionally, there are often other breeds outside of the Guard and Terrier groups identified in the mix depending on each dog’s individual ancestry.
So one would receive a report that would indicate something other than "Pit Bull". I did have my dog tested as most would never guess what type of mix breed she is. Some may question the accuracy of the tests, I found it to be useful, and damn sure believe it is more useful/accurate than "experienced" people guessing.
I have read numerous articles which have included interviews with government and animal control personnel where it is stated many areas will not place a "pit bull" ban into law due to the inability to correctly identify dog breeds and the cost of enforcement. It is what it is. I am around numerous behaviorally challenged dogs every week in training classes and at dog competitions. Labs, and Lab mixes, due to their popularity and numbers, make up a significant number. Walk up on a 110lb Lab/Rhodesian Ridgeback mix which exhibits random aggression and see how enjoyable that is.
I have an AmStaff terrier mix who is a great dog and friendly to dogs and humans. I have a Dobe that is not so friendly to dogs nor strangers. The potential real threat level of the Dobe is multiples higher than the AmStaff, who is not riskless because she is a dog. Any dog can attack with little provocation or notice, dog owners should recognize that at all times and take precautions.
The couple that brought that dog, whatever mix of breeds it is, into that apartment to live with them and their daughter used terrible judgement, especially with the dog being intact/nonneutered. Sympathies to the family, that is a brutal situation.
************************************************
From the site:
"Reports are logged as received, and the current log is printed out as requested.
Compiled by the editor of
ANIMAL PEOPLE
from press accounts since 1982, this table covers
only attacks by dogs of clearly identified breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or
others with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets. All accounts are cross-checked by date,
location, and identity of the victim.
Attacks by police dogs, guard dogs, and dogs trained specifically to fight are also excluded.
“Attacks doing bodily harm” includes all fatalities, maimings, and other injuries requiring extensive
hospital treatment. “Maimings” includes permanent disfigurement or loss of a limb.
Where there is an
asterisk (#), please see footnotes. If there are more "attacks" than "victims," it means that there were
multiple dogs involved in some attacks. If the numbers of "victims" does not equal the numbers of
"deaths" and "maimings," it means that some of the victims -- in attacks in which some people were killed
or maimed -- were not killed or maimed. "
************************************************
These types of anecdotal "stats" of specific breeds, many of which are misidentified, and data collection methodology are GIGO. I am not stating people were not bitten, injured, nor killed, but that the noted breed specifics should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
The dog that killed the child is clearly not a "pit bull" nor what people would associate with a dog whose normal weight range is 40-75 lbs. What constitutes a Pit Bull?
From a DNA testing company:
Does Wisdom Panel® test for “Pit-bull”?
The term "Pit-bull" is a bit of a misnomer and does not refer to a single, recognized breed of dog, but rather to a genetically diverse group of breeds which are associated by certain physical traits. Pit-bull-type dogs have historically been bred by combining guarding-type breeds with terriers for certain desired characteristics. As such they may retain many genetic similarities to their original breeds and other closely related breeds.
Due to the genetic diversity of this group, Mars Veterinary cannot build a DNA profile to genetically identify every dog that may be visually classified as a Pit-bull. When these types of dogs are tested with the Wisdom Panel®, we routinely detect various quantities of the component purebred dogs including the American Staffordshire Terrier, Boston Terrier, Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Mastiff, Bullmastiff, Boxer, Bulldog, and various other Terriers. Additionally, there are often other breeds outside of the Guard and Terrier groups identified in the mix depending on each dog’s individual ancestry.
So one would receive a report that would indicate something other than "Pit Bull". I did have my dog tested as most would never guess what type of mix breed she is. Some may question the accuracy of the tests, I found it to be useful, and damn sure believe it is more useful/accurate than "experienced" people guessing.
I have read numerous articles which have included interviews with government and animal control personnel where it is stated many areas will not place a "pit bull" ban into law due to the inability to correctly identify dog breeds and the cost of enforcement. It is what it is. I am around numerous behaviorally challenged dogs every week in training classes and at dog competitions. Labs, and Lab mixes, due to their popularity and numbers, make up a significant number. Walk up on a 110lb Lab/Rhodesian Ridgeback mix which exhibits random aggression and see how enjoyable that is.
I have an AmStaff terrier mix who is a great dog and friendly to dogs and humans. I have a Dobe that is not so friendly to dogs nor strangers. The potential real threat level of the Dobe is multiples higher than the AmStaff, who is not riskless because she is a dog. Any dog can attack with little provocation or notice, dog owners should recognize that at all times and take precautions.
The couple that brought that dog, whatever mix of breeds it is, into that apartment to live with them and their daughter used terrible judgement, especially with the dog being intact/nonneutered. Sympathies to the family, that is a brutal situation.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:09 pm to Herb484
Sorry but you lack education if you think the whole breed needs to go. Do you not think a dog is a product of its enviroment the same way humans are? I understand as a parent you are concerned but be please be logical.
seriously?
seriously?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 7:28 pm to Silent-Blob
quote:
Any responsible parent won't own pit bulls
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:17 pm to munchman
Serious question - will mace spray that's made to stop humans also work on a pit bull?
I'd hate to think I was taking a simple walk around the block, and all of a sudden, I get chased by one.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 12:44 am to iwasthere
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Your numbers are real. Using your numbers, the percent drops even more. So by your real numbers, it shows that less than .2% of pits kill.
I'm pretty buzzed, and I suck at math. But isn't that significantly higher than the murder rate in every city on Earth?
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