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re: Obesity rates in the US have tripled in just one generation
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:54 am to fallguy_1978
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:54 am to fallguy_1978
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I remember a few fat kids in school but they were sort of the exception. Probably less than 5-10%
Yep.
The old "If you can pinch an inch, you're fat" attitude prevailed and people didnt want to be fat. It was a terrible thing to be when everyone is fit.
People were rarely indoors either, spent childhood outside and active..
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:54 am to Antonio Moss
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Our grandparents did not eat nearly the level of processed foods that American eat today. Like not even in the same stratosphere.
They didn't. But we did, when we were kids. Trans fats, Cocoa Puffs, all that shite. The 80s were glory days of eating like total garbage. And there were fat kids, but not as many. And at least in my memory, the fat kids tended to be the "indoor kids/ video game kids," not the ones who ate more sugary cereals or taco bell or whatever.
The diet is absolutely part of it, but so is the phone/screen addiction and the accompanying lack of Vitamin D and sleep disruption. Plus, both of them likely contribute to depression that itself leads to more social media, more shitty eating, and more depression.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:and they were so few that it stands out in memory
I still have a copy of a class pic from HS. The people we thought were fat then would be normal today.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:57 am to Street Hawk
At the end of the day if you take in more calories than you burn you will gain wait.
Americans food portion size is almost double that of other countries around the world. Bigger portions equals more calories.
Also lunch has become a big sized meal that used to be only for dinner.
We also don't walk as much as other countries because everything is so spread out.
The food pyramid also screwed us up. They put the most emphasis on more carbs and less emphasis on fats and oils.
Michelle Obama tried to put in place healthy eating in schools but people flipped out and instead packed the unhealthiest lunch they could find just to give her a big "F U!" But I digress...
Americans food portion size is almost double that of other countries around the world. Bigger portions equals more calories.
Also lunch has become a big sized meal that used to be only for dinner.
We also don't walk as much as other countries because everything is so spread out.
The food pyramid also screwed us up. They put the most emphasis on more carbs and less emphasis on fats and oils.
Michelle Obama tried to put in place healthy eating in schools but people flipped out and instead packed the unhealthiest lunch they could find just to give her a big "F U!" But I digress...
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:01 am to Salmon
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Who is individualizing it?
I think most here are talking in pretty generalized terms.
Because of the demographics of who is affected by obesity, and the rates in those demographics, it is more complicated on a daily level. I mean, I heard about a patient the other day, a 7-year-old, who is already going to get a gastric bypass. That is a terrible intervention for someone that young, but might be a more reasonable one in a case that might be considered 'refractory' at older population levels. And at older-age levels, with prolonged obesity, it is incredibly difficult to manage their various obesity-related ailments and also get them to tackle the obesity.
And counseling patients on the need to retain a calorie deficit doesn't actually ensure a calorie deficit. It's incredibly hard to ensure compliance from that strategy alone. With younger patients, it is easier, but even then, the rates of illness are going to exceed our capacity to deal with them without pharmacologic aid, which is going to be the solution proposed, despite it also having discontents.
If we are going to actually deal with obesity, my opinion is that we have to deal with urban planning so that walking is incentivized. That is a population-level intervention that is better to me than the coming pharmacologic proposals, because the increased activity levels of walking do not raise metabolic demand too much, meaning most people at all age-cohorts can achieve caloric deficits. What I'm saying is that without some population-level intervention of some type that doesn't singularly involve everyone magically being compliant with a diet plan has to be the solution. I'm open to those suggestions more than I am suggestions than I am for more traditional approaches. Just to be clear, I am in no sense denying the thermodynamic calculus.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:15 am to Antonio Moss
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Whole cut/whole grain? Good stuff
I’m not anti-carbohydrate, I’m anti-processed/high sugar food. And, in the current the state of America, most carbohydrate intake is high processed/high sugar and not natural/while grain.
And when you eat those highly processed foods, you burn through sugar quickly leaving you more hungry and feeling like shite which results in most people eating more of the same shite.
bingo
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:16 am to PeteRose
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But I think it’s a pretty complex and messy how we got here.
Yep.
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foods by corporations are intended to be addictive.
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families who are not that educated in food
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culture wants everything easy and quick.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Coming from a recently reformed obese baw, it’s not impossible to make healthier choices but the decks are stacked against us. I yo-yo’d with gaining and losing the same 20 lbs (even at my lowest weight, still obese at this point) for a decade.
It took a wholesale change in thinking, quitting alcohol, and focus on mental health along with physical health for it to stick. Yes, it’s hard. No, I couldn’t have achieved the same results with a pill and the same lifestyle.
For me it was keto, 86 the booze, and weight training. I’ll never go back to where I was. I look at pictures of myself from a year ago and it makes me sick. I’m unrecognizable and embarrassed to see what people saw me as for 10 years when I was fooling myself that nothing was wrong.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:18 am to shutterspeed
quote:Bingo. You can say whatever about fast food. Kids have high metabolisms. They don’t go outside or play sports. My kids eat a lot of fast food or lunchables during the week cause we have so many activities, yet at their yearly checkups doctor says they could stand to gain weight. Push your kids!!!!!!
Kids don't go outside and activity anymore.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:19 am to Street Hawk
Replacing fats in processed foods with sugar was the worst thing we ever did. That combined with tech boom in the 90s changing the economy from manual labor based to more computer based. But Europeans have the same tech and aren’t this fat, we have a culture of eating terrible processed food. A lot of it has to do with poverty, the demographics with a high poverty rate (blacks, Appalachian whites, Hispanics) all live in the states with the highest rates. EBT allows them to purchase this crap food and the processed stuff is cheaper and easier than buying fresh meats and veggies, and staples to prepare meals from scratch. Combine that with not really working a job constantly, and you get obesity.
One of the best things we could do is limit food stamps to meats, veggies, and staples. Also reform public school lunch to be more balanced. Serve kids a “blue plate lunch” with a meat, a grain, and 2 veggies with a bread or dessert. Don’t serve them fricking cardboard pizza or fried chicken nuggets and fries
One of the best things we could do is limit food stamps to meats, veggies, and staples. Also reform public school lunch to be more balanced. Serve kids a “blue plate lunch” with a meat, a grain, and 2 veggies with a bread or dessert. Don’t serve them fricking cardboard pizza or fried chicken nuggets and fries
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:19 am to Street Hawk
Well, just look at that Gatorade commercial with that fat woman in tight clothing.
Being fat is being normalized and celebrated by the media, no wonder people think it's ok.
I don't know, a couple years ago, when I was starting to gain some weight, I just felt unhealthy and wanted to go to live a healthier lifestyle. I didn't feel good and wanted to change that.
I'm surprised more don't have that mindset.
Being fat is being normalized and celebrated by the media, no wonder people think it's ok.
I don't know, a couple years ago, when I was starting to gain some weight, I just felt unhealthy and wanted to go to live a healthier lifestyle. I didn't feel good and wanted to change that.
I'm surprised more don't have that mindset.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:26 am to Street Hawk
My favorite thing about these types of threads is knowing that 35% of the posters slinging shite at fat people are in fact fat themselves.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:29 am to deltaland
quote:makes too much sense.... EBT and stamps should not be able to used on any precooked or "instant" type meals or soft drinks of any sort.
Replacing fats in processed foods with sugar was the worst thing we ever did. That combined with tech boom in the 90s changing the economy from manual labor based to more computer based. But Europeans have the same tech and aren’t this fat, we have a culture of eating terrible processed food. A lot of it has to do with poverty, the demographics with a high poverty rate (blacks, Appalachian whites, Hispanics) all live in the states with the highest rates. EBT allows them to purchase this crap food and the processed stuff is cheaper and easier than buying fresh meats and veggies, and staples to prepare meals from scratch. Combine that with not really working a job constantly, and you get obesity.
One of the best things we could do is limit food stamps to meats, veggies, and staples. Also reform public school lunch to be more balanced. Serve kids a “blue plate lunch” with a meat, a grain, and 2 veggies with a bread or dessert. Don’t serve them fricking cardboard pizza or fried chicken nuggets and fries
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:31 am to deltaland
quote:This is a great idea, except it will cost way more and many won't eat it, anyway.
Also reform public school lunch to be more balanced. Serve kids a “blue plate lunch” with a meat, a grain, and 2 veggies with a bread or dessert. Don’t serve them fricking cardboard pizza or fried chicken nuggets and fries
School lunch has to be something a 5-year-old can and will eat in 15 minutes without someone cutting up their food and looking over their shoulder to make them eat it.
Serving "blue plate" meals also requires a lot more utensils, which again increases cost.
The solution is PB&J or turkey sandwich with a piece of fruit (what probably 90% of kids who bring lunch from home get).
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:31 am to Street Hawk
A simple look at people's grocery carts tells the tale as does those bitching about fast food prices(100% they are obese)
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:35 am to Street Hawk
For the past 10,000+ years the human body was forced to adapt to food insecurity as the default. Before the 20th century the average person likely prayed every night to be blessed with food for the next day. Also, eating was a chore, today we eat for fun.
If you gave people of the 1800s a bag of potatoes, they would make that bag last for weeks. Today we make a potato salad out of it and it’s gone in a day.
If you gave people of the 1800s a bag of potatoes, they would make that bag last for weeks. Today we make a potato salad out of it and it’s gone in a day.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:38 am to Street Hawk
Ok so I haven’t had a chance to dig into this but the first visceral question that comes to mind is what metrics of measurement are being used to derive this result?
If it is using BMI…I am highly suspect of that index as I doesn’t equate for body composition. No, I didn’t want to bring that out as a possible consideration in all this.
Edit…I see BMI was used as a basis BUT I highly caution this because it does not give consideration for body composition. Michael Jordan would have qualified as overweight/obese for example. The BMI chart uses raw numbers as they relate to height and weight. I would focus more on body fat percentage as being built well with a high muscle mass will wind up putting you sideways with the BMI and in turn have you classified in the wrong group. Also, I see I have a downvote from my observation already but I’m stating facts so suck on this whomever felt the need to do that.
If it is using BMI…I am highly suspect of that index as I doesn’t equate for body composition. No, I didn’t want to bring that out as a possible consideration in all this.
Edit…I see BMI was used as a basis BUT I highly caution this because it does not give consideration for body composition. Michael Jordan would have qualified as overweight/obese for example. The BMI chart uses raw numbers as they relate to height and weight. I would focus more on body fat percentage as being built well with a high muscle mass will wind up putting you sideways with the BMI and in turn have you classified in the wrong group. Also, I see I have a downvote from my observation already but I’m stating facts so suck on this whomever felt the need to do that.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:39 am to Tbonepatron
We keep glorifying these women with giant huge fat asses and calling them queens and shite. That is not healthy!
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:40 am to Street Hawk
A long time lurker on here just pointed out, a newsclip from one of our football games and a glance at the stands only 1 in 30 people looked "fat" yet, same clip from a game this year same stadium and largely same demographics - right at half looked "fat" with many being absurdly fat. 1982 to present day. Look at any crowd pix going back years or decades and it's striking. Just like the lack of litter visible in pix from years ago.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:47 am to Crimson1st
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If it is using BMI…I am highly suspect of that index as I doesn’t equate for body composition. No, I didn’t want to bring that out as a possible consideration in all this.
Unless you're walking around seeing Ray Lewis and DK Metcalf everywhere you go, BMI isn't throwing the metrics off. In fact, BMI becomes more effective when analyzing large populations.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:49 am to choupiquesushi
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A long time lurker on here just pointed out, a newsclip from one of our football games and a glance at the stands only 1 in 30 people looked "fat" yet, same clip from a game this year same stadium and largely same demographics - right at half looked "fat" with many being absurdly fat. 1982 to present day. Look at any crowd pix going back years or decades and it's striking. Just like the lack of litter visible in pix from years ago.
1980 to 2023, the difference is astounding. Its like living on another planet.
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