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re: New toy for your travel ball teams
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:19 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:19 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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but that doesn't really start until junior high or high school though. it's not at all "necessary" like it is for baseball.
its not necessary in baseball...you can play little league...good luck playing after 12 though cause your skill level is going to be way way behind.
baseball is very much a game of strength and athletism like football and basketball.....thing is though it requires a lot more hand eye coordination and very specific skills to play at a high level. the amount of different skills and overall IQ needed to play the game at a high level requires lots and lots of reps.
and what is wrong with seeking out better coaching, competition and overall play for a child? because it cost more and may leave the poor kids behind?
thats dumb. we as a society should never hold back high achievers for the sake of those who are at the bottom. You wouldnt do that in life, in school and its just as dumb to have that kind of mindset in sports.
in all things...out work your competition, seek out the best coaching/teaching you can find, learn to compete/win/lose and surround yourself with the best in that particular field that you can.
the old saying of you are the sum of your closest 5 friends rings true in sports than in anything else.
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
Well there be tent set up at the entrance to Sam's Club this weekend where we can donate for the voluntary recreational activities of the brats of total strangers?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:22 pm to Prominentwon
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777 said that tourney ball is watered down compared to what it used to be and I get that. But it also a lot of kids that wouldn’t have played a while back to play against this competition that they need to that’s not available in rec. the rec ball that we all knew growing up and playing just isn’t called rec ball anymore. It’s tourney ball. It’s just a different formats on the weekends compared to weekday games.
100%. and the way its structured....there is a place for that. its AA ball. most kids start there. as they get better and improve either the team or the player moves on to AAA or majors.
many people bash AA ball....i dont. i think it looks like most little league all star tournaments from 15-20 years ago. So like you said...the kids are seeing better competition and getting better as a result. they are not hitting a pop fly to outfield and it suddenly becoming a triple.
btw tell your boy good luck this week
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:24 pm to lsu777
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you have off
july
august
decemeber
1st half of janurary.
When are you supposed to play football? Or basketball?
Every college and professional coach in the country says they want kids who play 2-3 sports at a time. Both for health reasons and to stay fresh.
I don't care how much a 9 year old likes, or thinks he likes baseball, playing it 8-9 months of the year is stupid for his development. He's either going to burn out and resent you, or he's going to get hurt.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:30 pm to lsu777
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the coaches that were in rec left because they got tired of the type families above treating them like shite and treating it as a babysitting service that could be used at your convenience and only showing up when its convenient for them.
And 15 years ago, that was one or two kids on the team.
Now it's 8 or 9 kids on the team. Why... because the other kids left for travel.
The more kids leave for travel, the worse rec gets. The worse rec gets, the more kids leave for travel.
Same with coaches.
It's a cycle.
If travel ball ceased to exist tomorrow, within 12 months rec sports (all rec sports) would be tremendously more competative and better off.
But hey, screw the poor kid right? Screw the kid that has no dad at home.
I played rec ball. I played Dizzy Dean and Babe Ruth all starts. I played in all star tournaments, for a few weeks each summer, where you actually had to win to get into.
We had poor kids, we had black kids, we had kids with no dad, we had kids that we never saw the mom.
It all worked out ok. The other parents on the team, I guess you could say they "babysat" the kids. They would pick the kids up for games. They would take the kids out to eat.
My dad spent more money on equipment and uniforms for other kids than he ever did on me.
But that was a different time.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:36 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And those kids are having surgery at 16 and dead arms at 19.
wrong...so fricking wrong and show how little you know about the science of pitching and what causes the issues. Those injuries will also begin to decrease with all of the info coming out on how important deceleration and anti rotation work is and also with the new readily available AI software that uses and app on your phone.
not to mention now with cross over symetry and the armcare system you can get world class assessment like the majors get at anytime. its a $300 investment but price is coming down and any serious player 12 or older will have one in the next 2-3 years along with the whole crossover system.
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I agree that for the teams it's not, but it's big business for U Trip and the rest. Otherwise they would not nickel and dime everyone to death.
oh 100%. i sooooo should have just been a perfect game tournament director. would be making freaking back son.
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You are right... but that is a self-fulfilling ideal. It's the ultimate keeping up with the Joneses.
or more along the lines of....."dad.....johnny, jake, & jeremy all hit better than me and take lessons....can i take lessons"
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No one is crapping on the most talented kids wanting to play with the most talented kids. We have had Little League all star teams, Babe Ruth all star teams, Dizzy Dean all star teams, etc for decades. Heck remember when rec leagues were divided into A, B, C?
But AA travel ball is a got damn joke. It is the white flight version of rec ball. It's rec ball without having to get drafted on a team that might have a poor, or a minority.
The kids playing AA today are not learning anything more than the kids who played B league rec 20 years ago.
yes they are. essentially AA is what all stars what 15-20 years ago. essentially they are cutting out all the class disruptors(kids in LL that dont really care to play) and are only working with the what would have been the top 1/3rd of league players from back then.
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They are learning more than the kids who play B league rec today, because all the dads who coach would rather pick the 12 kids they want, rather than draft.
because they want 12 kids that really want to be there, have the desire to learn and work hard, and have good parents. so they can actually teach the game.
like i said, i coach league (11-12) and last year helped coach 8u ball and i coach league tball. Every outfielder we had last year at 8 is better than the outfielders i have on the 11-12 year old team this year. every infielder was better. and if it wasnt for pitching that 8u AA team would destroy a couple of the teams in our little league.
i watched a 7-8 coach pitch league game last night.....the difference between that and the teams in a 7u AA tournament is astounding. Much of it because you dont have to spend 70% of practice time working with the lower level kids and can distribute the coaching across evenly.
also there are quite a few leagues who have started (starting in 7u) taking the best 10-12 kids from the league in each age group and forming a team that goes and plays tournaments on the weekends 2x per month but also plays league. i know LC has some like that, the laffy team that made the LLWS was essentially APEXs team and the eastbank team that won it....most played on 1 or 2 travel teams in the area.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
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When are you supposed to play football? Or basketball?
fall ball is usually only 2 practices a week. many times sundays and wednesdays. they play football and basketball the other days. we have plenty that do it. or you let your coach know if their is a conflict. 99% of coaches want them to play more than one sport and are perfectly fine missing.
just like most coaches are fine with kids playing league and travel so long as they arent pitching in both.
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Every college and professional coach in the country says they want kids who play 2-3 sports at a time. Both for health reasons and to stay fresh.
like i said most do, atleast until high school.
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I don't care how much a 9 year old likes, or thinks he likes baseball, playing it 8-9 months of the year is stupid for his development. He's either going to burn out and resent you, or he's going to get hurt.
no it isnt. trust me dude i research this a ton. go find the research yourself. its all out there. read my post above.
do you think weightlifting at 9 is dangerous too?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And 15 years ago, that was one or two kids on the team.
Now it's 8 or 9 kids on the team. Why... because the other kids left for travel.
The more kids leave for travel, the worse rec gets. The worse rec gets, the more kids leave for travel.
Same with coaches.
It's a cycle.
If travel ball ceased to exist tomorrow, within 12 months rec sports (all rec sports) would be tremendously more competative and better off.
But hey, screw the poor kid right? Screw the kid that has no dad at home.
I played rec ball. I played Dizzy Dean and Babe Ruth all starts. I played in all star tournaments, for a few weeks each summer, where you actually had to win to get into.
We had poor kids, we had black kids, we had kids with no dad, we had kids that we never saw the mom.
It all worked out ok. The other parents on the team, I guess you could say they "babysat" the kids. They would pick the kids up for games. They would take the kids out to eat.
My dad spent more money on equipment and uniforms for other kids than he ever did on me.
But that was a different time.
i grew up same way...and i didnt say
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screw the poor kid right? Screw the kid that has no dad at home.
but im also not saying....screw getting my kid better....i dont want to screw the poor kid or the kid with no dad.
do you do that with school? what is the difference?
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And 15 years ago, that was one or two kids on the team.
Now it's 8 or 9 kids on the team. Why...
no....if travel ball stopped tomorrow all it would do is either
1) distribute the travel kids onto rec teams where the kids that are still playing rec today would just sit the bench
2) those kids playing today would just quit cause they can compete.
those kids wouldnt get any better because they are either not committed to getting better or they dont have the talent.
any parent or kid can pull up youtube and get a net out and learn to hit in the driveway if they really want it.
should kids not be allowed to go to college because it leaves behind those that cant get in, are too poor to go, are just have desire to go? wtf is the difference.
would you put your kid in one of the worst performing schools in the district thinking its goign to make the other kids better? no you wouldnt because it wouldnt make them better, it would just make your child perform worse.
same concept
Posted on 4/5/22 at 12:57 pm to LSUFanHouston
I think the problem here is that people are taking THEIR situation and painting it as a nationwide ordeal
Not every league is the same. Not every league is a money grab. Not every parent that supports travel ball names their kids Braxton, Paxton, Jacksynn, or whatever other BS this place comes up with. Not every coach drives an F250 with trucknuts. And I can also guarantee that NOBODY is spending $10K like some of y’all have suggested
The truth is, a lot of parents want their time to be spent on something worthwhile. Recreation leagues all over are falling apart, due to a bunch of things, so if ‘travel ball’ is something they decide to support, then so be it.
Not every league is the same. Not every league is a money grab. Not every parent that supports travel ball names their kids Braxton, Paxton, Jacksynn, or whatever other BS this place comes up with. Not every coach drives an F250 with trucknuts. And I can also guarantee that NOBODY is spending $10K like some of y’all have suggested
The truth is, a lot of parents want their time to be spent on something worthwhile. Recreation leagues all over are falling apart, due to a bunch of things, so if ‘travel ball’ is something they decide to support, then so be it.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:00 pm to DevilDagNS
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Well there be tent set up at the entrance to Sam's Club this weekend where we can donate for the voluntary recreational activities of the brats of total strangers?
Absolutely
You and little zeke can come stop by while y’all are out catching Pokémon
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:02 pm to lsu777
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also there are quite a few leagues who have started (starting in 7u) taking the best 10-12 kids from the league in each age group and forming a team that goes and plays tournaments on the weekends 2x per month but also plays league. i know LC has some like that, the laffy team that made the LLWS was essentially APEXs team and the eastbank team that won it....most played on 1 or 2 travel teams in the area.
Yep PDL player development league. They keep the all star team together year round and play tournaments all in order for....wait for it...the girls to funnel into travel ball teams.
Hoover rec does the exact thing. They all play PDL to get ready for a specific travel team.
Even rec leagues recognize they suck
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:07 pm to p&g
quote:What are you talking about? I have very athletic kids, but you don't need to have a DI recruit at the age of 10 to know that this wristband and tacky championship rings are a fricking racquet. But go on paying your 20 grand a year to go play tournaments every weekend
Makes it to see which posters have either loser kids who can’t chew gum abs walk at same time but are awesome on that ps4 and those that can’t attract a mate to procreate with.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:07 pm to BoogaBear
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Yep PDL player development league. They keep the all star team together year round and play tournaments all in order for....wait for it...the girls to funnel into travel ball teams.
Hoover rec does the exact thing. They all play PDL to get ready for a specific travel team.
Even rec leagues recognize they suck
na not like that. more like the kids play on different rec teams, play weekend tournaments together and in most cases they end up being the all star team.
i gave you the examples of the last 2 teams from louisiana that went to llws.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:09 pm to tigafan4life
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What are you talking about? I have very athletic kids, but you don't need to have a DI recruit at the age of 10 to know that this wristband and tacky championship rings are a fricking racquet. But go on paying your 20 grand a year to go play tournaments every weekend
the conversation moved way past this to straight up travel ball bashing.
had to throw in all the other bullshite though huh and exagerate by 10x on the cost too. couldnt help yourself.
and yea good luck to your "very athletic kids" on making hs baseball teams while never playing high level competition.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:10 pm to lsu777
Yeah same thing. The girls that make 6u all stars become the PDL team. They get broken up across the other teams during the rec season, but they still practice together and play tournaments together. When it's all stars time they are the "elite" all star team. The non PDL kids are the other team.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:10 pm to tigafan4life
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but you don't need to have a DI recruit at the age of 10
Show me where ANYONE has said or implied this
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But go on paying your 20 grand a year to go play tournaments every weekend
Once again, show me where anyone said this. If you can’t show me, then give me an idea of how you came to the conclusion that baseball costs $20K a year.
Once you start unpacking what you said, maybe you’ll realize how fricking stupid you sound
^
I bet you can’t
Also, you forgot to mention anything about travel ball names. You’re better than this
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:14 pm to lsu777
quote:First off, I have a 2 year old son who can't play yet and I have two daughters that dance competitively. I know what shite costs but are you saying only travel ball kids make HS teams now?
and yea good luck to your "very athletic kids" on making hs baseball teams while never playing high level competition.
Why are you so butt hurt because not everyone thinks travel ball is amazing? Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:16 pm to TheRouxGuru
quote:I usually have a casual convo with other parents when we start talking kids and the cost of their activities. I didn't pull it out of thin air but ok.
then give me an idea of how you came to the conclusion that baseball costs $20K a year.
quote:I don't know any Brayden or Braxton, sorry.
Also, you forgot to mention anything about travel ball names. You’re better than this
Posted on 4/5/22 at 1:18 pm to tigafan4life
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Why are you so butt hurt because not everyone thinks travel ball is amazing?
Your first two posts in this thread (unprovoked):
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So they will have a cool wristband to go with their ginormous championship rings they win every weekend? Lol...
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I have very athletic kids, but you don't need to have a DI recruit at the age of 10 to know that this wristband and tacky championship rings are a fricking racquet. But go on paying your 20 grand a year to go play tournaments every weekend
So who’s ‘butthurt’ in this thread?
I don’t go to the soccer board… you know why? Because I don’t give a frick about soccer and those dudes can do what the frick they want to with their time and money
See how that works?
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