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Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:55 pm to LNCHBOX
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And this is where you and OP come off looking like cheap petty douchebags.
The entirety of the meal was paid for by the loser. OP should change the wording of the bet, or likely just kill himself for being a miserable douche.
There is no reason to get upset because you are wrong.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to lsufan_26
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No he didn't. The restaurant did.
Guy still paid for tip. He paid for the total cost of the meal that was presented to him. OP can suck it since he didn't make the bet specific enough.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to elposter
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There is no reason to get upset because you are wrong.
You haven't shown me to be wrong.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:56 pm to LNCHBOX
You are changing nuances of your argument in real-time. In kind, what if the gift card was one of those generic Visa ones, usable just about anywhere?
Bottom line, in order for your point to make sense, you have to successfully determine variables that would literally be impossible to determine. If the card is used, there is no way to know the actual opportunity cost, other than to assume it would have been used at some point, because it was. If the card wasn't used, then this entire line of discussion is completely moot.
Bottom line, in order for your point to make sense, you have to successfully determine variables that would literally be impossible to determine. If the card is used, there is no way to know the actual opportunity cost, other than to assume it would have been used at some point, because it was. If the card wasn't used, then this entire line of discussion is completely moot.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:58 pm to GRTiger
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You are changing nuances of your argument in real-time.
No, I was addressing the argument that a gift card's value would absolutely have to be replaced by the loser's own money at some point. That is not 100% fact.
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Bottom line, in order for your point to make sense, you have to successfully determine variables that would literally be impossible to determine. If the card is used, there is no way to know the actual opportunity cost, other than to assume it would have been used at some point, because it was. If the card wasn't used, then this entire line of discussion is completely moot.
The bigger bottom line is that the bet was satisfied.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:01 pm to elposter
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Part of the fun in betting with friends is this kind of stuff so you can rib each other about it. I'm sure the OP doesn't really care or need the lunch, but it's the principle of the matter. His buddy is trying to get out of buying lunch because he got a windfall. The OP isn't letting him get away with it. Sounds like it is in good fun to me.
this. but now apparently im a miserable douche and should off myself.
i even gave the guy an out to go double or nothing on saints vs falcons. a bet i am pretty much guaranteed to lose but he denied saying there is nothing to double.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:02 pm to LNCHBOX
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Guy still paid for tip.
What percent tip did he give?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:02 pm to lsufan_26
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What percent tip did he give?
That's a different thread
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:03 pm to CE Tiger
It's lnchbox; not sure why people bother.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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No, I was addressing the argument that a gift card's value would absolutely have to be replaced by the loser's own money at some point. That is not 100% fact.
This is the perfect time to use the old cliche "take it at face value." If your argument falls apart with a simple assurance that could absolutely never be proven false beyond mind reading, it's too weak to be valid.
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The bigger bottom line is that the bet was satisfied.
I've already agreed with this. I disagree that using a gift card would be equal to getting an unexpected comped meal using the OP's strict terms and desired result of the bet. He sounds like the type that would treat it the same anyway, but I disagree with that.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:04 pm to CE Tiger
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this. but now apparently im a miserable douche and should off myself.
Question... did you pick the restaurant that ended up sucking, or did he?
If he did, he should buy you lunch somewhere else of your choosing.
If you did, you should consider the bet paid in full.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:05 pm to LNCHBOX
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Guy still paid for tip.
It's smart of you to change your argument to focus on the tip. That at least does raise an interesting question unlike your random and horribly wrong gift card example. I think the right result is that the loser still has to buy the winner's lunch although the tip has been satisfied.
However, let's not kid ourselves, you are latching on to the tip argument to save some face. Your original premise in this thread was simply:
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You got a lunch you didn't pay for. Debt is cleared.
That clearly wasn't the bet. Sorry you are wrong.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:06 pm to LSUBoo
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Question... did you pick the restaurant that ended up sucking, or did he?
If he did, he should buy you lunch somewhere else of your choosing.
If you did, you should consider the bet paid in full.
it was a group decision since there were 4 of us but i may have thrown out the name
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:07 pm to elposter
Did the loser's meal get comped as well? If he paid for his when there was an opportunity to otherwise avoid that cost, that should also be considered. If the bet was "loser buys lunch," which is pretty typical language, then the debt is paid, in my opinion.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:07 pm to Swoopin
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Person B has to feel the personal burden of sponsoring said lunch.
If a friend of yours actually feels the burden over buying you a quesadilla, he is obviously hurting for money. So I'd just take the free meal I got and be done with it.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:08 pm to elposter
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It's smart of you to change your argument to focus on the tip
I didn't change my argument.
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However, let's not kid ourselves, you are latching on to the tip argument to save some face. Your original premise in this thread was simply:
And let's not let you kid yourself either. The definition of bought includes the following:
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be a means of obtaining (something) through exchange or payment.
That criteria was met according to OP, so the debt is cleared, as I said in my first post.
So where did you prove me wrong again?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:11 pm to CE Tiger
Jerry and Kenny?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:11 pm to GRTiger
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Did the loser's meal get comped as well?
no.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:13 pm to LNCHBOX
But isn't a tip to compensate the server for his service, not to cover food costs for the restaurant? So, he technically paid for a service, not a meal.
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