re: NASA sets tentative launch date for Artemis 1 - August 29, 2022

No "hologram" effect with the stars
Very clear moonless
Constant activity
Tonight it's a constant strobe
Under a telescope it's a translucent orb dancing around different shapes, geometric patterns
They just happen to dance and jump around for us
And look like they are right there
And rotate around the solid one in the middle
But never move other than that
But they're trillions of millions away in their own solar systems with their own rotations
Man it was so silly. The truth is so much better

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These flat earth "proofs" are always done over a body of cool water. Always..

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Yes there is a special effect whenever the temperature is perfect and the air is clear that allows you to see 20, 30, 50, 100 miles past the supposed horizon curve, beyond miles of physical downward curve to the exact perfect top to bottom clear image of what you would see on a flat plane. And it only occurs on clear days, and super double mirages exist as a disturbance of this perfect image which is the only one ever displayed. That magic mirror in our atmosphere is so incredible


Oh and it works over land too

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Yes there is a special effect whenever the temperature is perfect and the air is clear that allows you to see 20, 30, 50, 100 miles past the supposed horizon curve, beyond miles of physical downward curve

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Got a link showing "miles" of physical downward curve?

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to the exact perfect top to bottom clear image of what you would see on a flat plane.

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"Exact perfect" and "clear" huh? These images are always distorted to hell and blurry as shite. Sometimes shite even looks upside down.

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And it only occurs on clear days

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Clear days over cool water is obviously where the effect is most prominent and easy to predict.

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and super double mirages exist as a disturbance of this perfect image which is the only one ever displayed.

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Wtfrick are you talking about here?

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Oh and it works over land too

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Harder to find perfectly flat land, and land that is sometimes cooler than the air above, but yes why wouldn't it? You can visit salt flats yourself at different times of the year and see how far before a vehicle falls below the horizon.

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exact perfect top to bottom clear image of what you would see on a flat plane.

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Look at this exact perfect top to bottom clear image of some windmills over the ocean horizon! LINK


(spoiler for dumbasses: you can only see the top of the blades and they're distorted as frick)

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Yes dipshit. You've never once done that.

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I've done it countless times.

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You don't propose ideas, you ask for them.

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I got tired of proposing them only for them to be discarded. For folks who believe everything told to them is a lie, the *only* way they will accept something is if they come up with it themselves. You seem incapable of that even with strong hints.

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We can, again, put up $1000, we will have an independent proctor, test IQ, geometry, spatial aptitude, and have a real discussion and you can see that I'm not whatever you think. And then if you're impressed you'll actually shut the frick up and stop throwing out blind ad homs and start to consider things.

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It's a very simple question that I've posed to you several times now, but you resist answering because the only logical answer destroys the FE model. I will answer it for you, again, because you continue to avoid attempting to answer it yourself. The *only* possible way for there to be two points in the sky about which stars appear to revolve, and that one can be seen in the northern hemisphere and the other in the southern hemisphere, is that we are rotating about an axis and those two points are the vanishing points of each end of that axis. That's it. There is no projection light show that can do that on or inside a dome or any other way. It is simply an impossibility.

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But can we just agree you're not gonna go for it, and I'm not gonna believe what you believe about me which is apparently more important than the actual issues with globe earth that are brought up and please just move on or something because I'm tired of you and your constant stupid attempt to "win" while skirting past the main problems exposed to you.

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And what problems would those be? Best I can see the only "problem" with globe earth is your misunderstanding of refraction and lack of three dimensional visualization skills. The problems with flat earth are of course numerous and the "explanations" grow more complicated with each conversation.

I can see you are getting upset, so maybe I was wrong and you're less of a troll and more of a true believer like Liberator. I will repeat my hypothesis that there is a specific mental deficiency or disorder, possibly not yet medically identified, that inhibits one's ability to properly visualize 3d space. Come to think of it, this might explain things like bad drivers and uncoordinated people and the like.

Anyway, I would imagine such a disorder could be frustrating, so if these conversations anger you perhaps you should avoid them in the future?

Forgot link, edited to add it above.

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And the oil platforms? Did you see that part? Did you watch more videos? Did any of it seem odd?

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Yes it all looks odd as frick, that's the point. The bottom of everything in the distance appears to smear vertically. It's hard to tell, but the water just below even appears to curve upward like a wave.

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Do you want to verify? Do you have curiosity?

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I've been to the beach plenty of times, and I've been a few miles offshore and couldn't see shite.

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Do you actually know the magical reflection math and science to accurately explain this?

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It's not magical, I can see the exact same effect in reverse on my street every single day. When the road is hot, the air just above it is hot and gets gradually cooler higher up. As a result, light bends upward toward the cooler air and I can see the sky by looking at the road. Flip the temperature gradient so it's cooler near the surface and the light bends down toward the cooler air, we can see over the horizon.

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Or are you concerned about my spatial awareness level?

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I grow more concerned by the post.

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Do you get tired of constantly being adversarial to individuals who challenge your beliefs?

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No, I find it entertaining.

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Do you think I started this fight?

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Every fricking thread.

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For those of you who don't know, the Artemis program (named after the sister of Apollo), will be returning mankind to the moon in preparation for manned missions to Mars. Artemis I is the first flight (and an unmanned test of the vehicle) that will orbit the moon while ground controllers monitor the spacecraft for glitches. The test flight is scheduled to last between 26-42 days. Artemis 2 will be the first crewed space flight that will orbit the moon (but not land) sometime in 2024. That will be the objective of Artemis 3 (planned 2025).

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That’s a lot of preparation to land on the moon which we accomplished 50 years ago.

Unless of course we never landed on the moon in the first place

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I'm trying to help you

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I'm trying to help *you*.

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But you don't listen to anything and make me spend my time on defense.

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And it's absolutely misplaced. Why should I deal with this garbage and deconstruct how very wrong you are? You have no idea the degree to which I justifiably roll my eyes at your stupid accusations and characterizations of me. It's a retarded witch hunt instead of a discussion. You're not helpable. We're not going to agree. I consider you a complete and utter waste of time. Instead of talking I have to go on your retarded misplaced trial.

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Bro we are in a thread about launching people into space to land on the moon, and you're in here talking about that's impossible because you can't wrap your mind around motherfricking refraction.

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This is never true for anything.

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I have asked and begged and pleaded for you to propose an alternative explanation for the perceived motion of the stars, and instead of doing so you bitch about me asking for ideas. AND you've claimed that I don't propose ideas, yet here is a clear case of you not proposing any ideas to counter mine, and characterizing this dynamic as me putting you on trial. Do you not see how you have forced the conversation this way?

Not as much as I have pleaded with you to perform the simple geometry of a sphere (or oblate spheroid if you must) given the "known" circumference and area of the earth, determine a general rate of curvature over a square area of land, and then perform measurements and optical tests to observe this curvature. This is my original and first point and we cannot move on in earnest until you do. The Earth's curvature cannot actually be seen or detected, not by sight over distance, not from the highest heights. I know this whether you do or not. So what other hard proof do you have? It's on you. Your photos from NASA are fake.

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 I have witnessed countless ships disappear over the horizon

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have watched from a ship as land disappeared over and reappeared from the horizon.

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That's not doing the test. It doesn't include the geometry and measurements. You would've found it had no correlation. You could've brought the ships and land right back into view with a zoom camera. It didn't match where the curve horizon was supposed to be. It depended on atmospheric conditions and probably occured many 10s of miles out.

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Gotcha. So what it boils down to is you will disregard the obvious fact that objects do actually disappear over the horizon from bottom to top (

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You are 100% wrong. This does not hold to tests. Do the tests and you will see. Until then we cannot continue when you have silly easily disproveable misplaced propaganda ideas.

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And you think *my* approach to knowledge is faulty

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Absolutely. You don't even know what a test is when I spell it out for you clearly. You heard a smoke and mirrors explanation and didn't even investigate. "Ships disappear so must be curved" and that was enough for you. Of course your approach to knowledge is faulty.