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GumboPot
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Moneywerx data assessment of the U.S. sabotaging Nord Stream 2 Pipeline

Very compelling:

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As we sit here today, October 1, 2022, the United States has no official statement on the sabotage although Biden is pushing the standard doublespeak rhetoric and as they say, the best defense is a good offense. There is, however, an official release from the White House back in February 2022 that states the United States will take further action with Germany to end the Nord Stream Pipeline 2

So let’s look at the flight data logically… The United States has Navy P8’s stationed in the UK so why fly an aircraft all the way from the United States and not land in the UK for refueling, but instead hook up for an hour plus with another US Air Force refueler out of Germany? Could it be that the UK’s new Prime Minister would not condone the activity? We have already seen her call out Nancy Pelosi who we know is a bobblehead and not in line with the New World Order, and we know the new UK PM is indeed a WEF appointee which is part of the NWO. Clearly, the United States did not want to land in the UK or anywhere else for a reason. Could it also be because it was armed with external weapons or they didn’t want any record of the aircraft in the area? Landing would create a log and even though we see them wipe the flight record data, the airport log is still intact.

Let’s talk about the P8 weaponry for a minute. The Navy P8 Poseiden has 11 external hardpoints for mounting weapons as well as an internal bomb bay, and one weapon, in particular, is a High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability (HAAWC) system. HAAWC is an all-weather add-on glide kit that enables the Mk54 torpedo to be launched near or below the cruising altitude of the P8 Poseidon.





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What that means: the flight path and altitude of the P8 in question are indeed capable of conducting a “bomb run” on the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline. Now let’s look at the flight specifics. Note the last flight path just before exiting the area runs right along the pipeline in which they could have released the ordinance and continued their climb out, thus exiting the area and returning to the United States. Also, note the little hump just before the climb out (red arrow). That is consistent with a weapons release. Pitch down, increased AoA, weapon release, little bubble up, then a climb out (the blue line is the inbound leg of the same flight). You may also not the flight path. It circles over the area first, then flies downrange and starts the initial bomb run, then it does a quick readjustment on a final bomb run, releases, and exits immediately.




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Now I’m not a betting man, but if it sounds like a duck, walks and talks like a duck, then folks, it’s very likely a duck. Okay let us talk about the motive: Why would the United States take out this pipeline? Reason - because it is a very large source of revenue for Russia and the sanctions to date have not worked, in fact, they have backfired on the United States. Also, note the timing as Poland and Norway announce a new Baltic Pipeline just days after the sabotage and the EU has secured a deal with Israel going forward so they will no longer rely on Russia for the gas and oil. We simply waited until everything was shored up and made our move.


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Splackavellie
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Biden would have no clue if he had anything to do with it or not.


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Stopped reading at the second, "could it be"...


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Now I’m not a betting man, but if it sounds like a duck, walks and talks like a duck, then folks, it’s very likely a duck.


Welp, that settles it


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Why would the United States take out this pipeline?


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Also, note the timing as Poland and Norway announce a new Baltic Pipeline just days after the sabotage and the EU has secured a deal with Israel going forward so they will no longer rely on Russia for the gas and oil.


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Reason - because it is a very large source of revenue for Russia


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the EU has secured a deal with Israel going forward so they will no longer rely on Russia for the gas and oil


What now?


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I haven't heard of a decent explanation as to why Russia would blow up their own pipeline.


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Stopped reading at the second, "could it be"...




That was just in reference to the new UK prime minster not condoning the activity.

Not the sabotaging of the pipeline.


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Scruffy
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The bigger question is why would Russia do it?

What would they gain?

They lose significant money and control now.

There was zero gain on Russia’s part.

It is far more likely a western country performed the act.


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We dont need the pipeline anymore, but we'll blow it up anyway.

Is that what he just said as far as motive?
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GumboPot
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The timing of the Navy P8 Poseidon over the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline at the time of the registered explosion is purely coincidental. And neverminded the fact that the P8 is used to deliver the High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability (HAAWC) system.

Just a coincidence.


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Yeah, because dropping a highly specialized torpedo from an airplane wouldn't draw too much attention.

As opposed to simply dropping a drone from a boat.

So do you think this specialized torpedo was made of cellulose to make it untraceable?


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The timing of the Navy P8 Poseidon over the Nord Stream 2 Pipeline at the time of the registered explosion is purely coincidental. And neverminded the fact that the P8 is used to deliver the High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability (HAAWC) system.

Just a coincidence.

Forget all that.

I'm just trying to understand why Russia would do this and what the benefit would be.


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So do you think this specialized torpedo was made of cellulose to make it untraceable?
Let us assume that it actually happened this way.

Who would actually report this event?


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I'm just trying to understand why Russia would do this and what the benefit would be.
Exactly.

What does Russia benefit here?


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I haven't heard of a decent explanation as to why Russia would blow up their own pipeline.


have you heard people on this board parrot the "NATO" talking points?

Same concept


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Moneywerx


Has yet to be right in over 2 years.


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SlowFlowPro
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We dont need the pipeline anymore, but we'll blow it up anyway.

Is that what he just said as far as motive?

Yes

And they waited until the Russian pipeline wasn't needed anymore to blow it up


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The bigger question is why would Russia do it?

What would they gain?



The going narrative it Putin will use the bombing of NS2 as propaganda to gain support on the home land.

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They lose significant money and control now.



True but the primary investors in NS2 are western...investors in Gazprom. The biggest issue was Putin forcing Germany/Europe to pay for gas in rubbles. That's what really threatened the U.S. That threat is gone.


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Very compelling:

Only because you desperately want to believe it


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