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re: Listen to my words. I’ve been an HVAC mechanic for a long time.

Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:29 am to
Posted by White Bear
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:29 am to
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Did they do this for fun, or because of government mamdates?
They use the gov rules to frick us baw.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:31 am to
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Find a longstanding commercial company thst does residential work, and use them.


I'm fortunate to have a friend who has his own HVAC outfit, he comes when I call him if it's urgent, and I tell him when it isn't. Honest, not cheap though. If he's real busy he's even talked me through a few simple repairs. Sadly, he's about my age and I don't know how much longer he wants to work.
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:34 am to
Hopefully, he can pass the business down.

I like the company I used when I built the house and the offices.

Haven't steered me wrong, and reasonable prices.
Getting parts is a PITA for everyone now, though
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88202 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:38 am to
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Hopefully, he can pass the business down.



it looks like he's "grooming" a younger guy to do just that, I met him by chance when we owned a small business years ago and needed a new system, he's been taking care of our house, our daughter's house, some rentals, and friends houses for almost twenty years
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:38 am to
This is BS. I have a 16-year-old unit. It’s been serviced a few times and as recently as last year. The tech I used assured me that there will still be refrigerant and parts available for for several years. He quoted me on the old refrigerant. Not that high.
Posted by Lexis Dad
Member since Apr 2025
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:40 am to
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In Russia and china (that I know of) every house is town is connected to steam generated by one source, which is controlled by the govt. Apparently they won't turn on the steam until there's 10 consecutive days below 45 degrees


Posted by Swamp Angel
Somewhere on a river
Member since Jul 2004
9635 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:48 am to
It's not just HVAC equipment and components, it's pretty much everything that has mechanical parts. Thank your federal government for this.

CAFE standards have made vehicles much less reliable due to all the electronic components required to monitor and control the engines and the exhaust. There are very few actual mechanics to work on vehicles now. They have been largely replaced by "technicians" who deal with the failures of the electronics and computers that control our cars.

Federal restrictions on gases used in our AC units (i.e. Freon) have led to newer, less reliable variations in the manufacturing of AC units which are required by law to perform to a greater capacity on less power. Congress, apparently, believes that their laws are superior to the laws of nature and physics.

The incandescent bulb has been forcibly removed from store inventories as lower quality and lower lumen LCD bulbs (with shorter actual lifespans) were shoved down our throats at the whim of government officials.

Even the lowly, simple gas can for your lawn mower has been redesigned so that it is damned near impossible to fill your mower or weed eater without growing a third hand to keep the spout open.

Government has gone beyond being a "necessary evil" to becoming fully diabolical as it intrudes on every, single aspect of our lives as it strives to save us from ourselves.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 8:52 am
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:52 am to
Its the newer units (last 10 years) that have the parts issues.
And nobody's coils are worth a fuk.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:58 am to
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How are these companies supposed to make money if you’re not replacing shite every couple years



Planned obsolescence is a real business strategy.

I think the first example of planned obsolescence was with lightbulb companies in the early 1900s. They colluded to limit lightbulb life so that people had to buy lightbulbs on a regular basis.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
5786 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:09 am to
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We’re now mandated to use a new refrigerant, meaning the old equipment is not available any more, and the cost per pound for the new stuff is more than double.

Gotta find a plug on the old refrigerant. My unit is 20+ years old, has a a very slow leak. I fill it up at the beginning of every summer and it lasts until the next. Not planning to replace my unit until it’s beyond repair.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88202 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:12 am to
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Not planning to replace my unit until it’s beyond repair.


with the efficiency of the newer units the savings would pay for it fairly quickly
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
6082 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:17 am to
Make window units great again
Posted by White Bear
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:19 am to
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with the efficiency of the newer units the savings would pay for it fairly quickly
you an hvac salesman?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88202 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:30 am to
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you an hvac salesman?


nah, but I've had to replace 2-3 units over the past few years, cuts the bill at least in half, especially in the super hot months
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
9157 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:58 am to
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We’re now mandated to use a new refrigerant, meaning the old equipment is not available any more, and the cost per pound for the new stuff is more than double.


We had this discussion on the Home & Garden board. This isn't true. You can still buy parts to repair - like condensers and compressors.

AC companies are trying to push for entire new systems so they can make more money. R410a systems will still be able to be serviced for 20+ more years. You can even still buy brand new R22 compressors today even though R22 systems had to stop being manufactured in 2010.

quote:

Homeowner Questions on Residential Air Conditioner Split Systems

My R-410A unitary air conditioner condensing unit broke. Do I need to buy a whole new system with the lower-GWP refrigerant or can I replace the faulty component?

Homeowners can maintain and repair their systems throughout the useful life of the equipment. A homeowner can replace a faulty component (e.g., condensing unit, indoor coil, other smaller parts) with a similar R-410A component.
EPA.gov
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 10:02 am
Posted by N2cars
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 10:04 am to
This is true.

I went with the most efficient units I could find in 2013, and coupled with foam, the savings have been amazing, as well as the humidity control.

The units had 10yr parts warranty, and all three coils have been replaced. Still, theyre great at what they do.
Posted by Smokedawg
Finding Lennay Kekua
Member since Dec 2008
5604 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:18 am to
I think I have everyone beat, i currently have a 1984 model 5-ton trane . Still running needs a little shot a Freon and it’ll be great, last time I had it charged was 10 years ago when we moved in. I have replaced 1 compacitor and 1 fan fuse.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16613 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:46 am to
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My until is 20 years old :( im dreading replacing it


I have a 26 year old unit at the farm. R22. I bought a spare compressor and coil about 8 years ago when my guy said they were phasing them out.

R22 is enormously expensive but I will buy that crap on the black market before replacing that unit. Its the coldest air I have ever felt from a unit. Much better than the Trane units at my house.

I hope to keep that unit going for another 20 years.
Posted by LSU Delirium
Member since Aug 2013
505 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 12:08 pm to
Everything is going “as a service” direction and is really just a form of financing/leasing something that you’ll never own.

I really find it interesting that so much of the green agenda is “reduce, reuse”, but any appliance, car, etc. is completely ignored.

Instead of repairing, we just toss these massive, expensive machines in the land fill and the industrial machine just keeps chugging along.
Posted by Jim Ed Love
Deep East Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2024
72 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 12:50 pm to
Yep, bought a ten pound keg of 410A last week off the internet. Company has ever Freon available.

Was ordered on July 3rd and was delivered at the ranch gate July 7th and this is BFE Oklahoma.

I don't have an HVAC license and do not need one here to put my own Freon in. Got a set of gauges and do my own AC work on the house, trucks, and cab tractors.

Cost was $22 a pound and it had free shipping. The AC mafia may get me.
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