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re: Jalopnik: No One In The U.S. Really Wants To Buy Electric Vehicles
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:53 am to Fat and Happy
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:53 am to Fat and Happy
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There is no way I’m buying one of those for what these electric vehicles cost
Exactly, watched too many friends struggle through winters t pay what they ask for that crap
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:08 am to billjamin
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Do you drive enough every day to need a charging infrastructure? Or can you not charge at home?
One of my biggest gripes is that if I’m paying a premium price for a vehicle I sure as hell do not want a loss of convenience at all.
I want to be able to hop in and drive wherever I need to drive with a 5 min detour to refuel being my only likely consideration. If you could make charging as simple and quick as filling up (something I don’t have to plan for or consider in any way due to the availability) I’d be a lot more open to the idea.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 9:11 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:11 am to dewster
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That’s insane. It would take Genesis almost a full year to burn through their current inventory if they stopped making EV’s today.
That’s Chrysler level numbers.
At one point they were storing tons of finished inventory in the Pontiac Silverdome because they didn’t have the demand to ship out all their finished cars.
IIRC, that is why they also offered their employees steep discounts on new cars to the point where they were supposedly getting them, having no insurance, then abandoning them when no longer drivable. Which may not have taken long given it was Chrysler.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:22 am to St Augustine
That’s a lot of words to not answer the question. As long as you’re ok with spending more time at gas stations than 99% of EV owners through your life then I guess you achieved your goal.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:34 am to dewster
America is an instant gratification culture, which means taking 5 minutes to pump gas will always be preferred to hours long charging.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:38 am to dewster
I was traveling... and as I got gas saw a woman sitting in her EV car charging... I pumped... paid for my gas and was gone... and she was still sitting there... waiting... Waiting.. waiting... in the middle of no where...
and if I could have read he mind as she looked at me in disgust was: "damn it, if I had bought a gas powered car I would be on the road by now like this guy."
and if I could have read he mind as she looked at me in disgust was: "damn it, if I had bought a gas powered car I would be on the road by now like this guy."
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:51 am to BRL79
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America is an instant gratification culture, which means taking 5 minutes to pump gas will always be preferred to hours long charging.
Americans are too stupid to do basic math and realize that the vast majority of people would spend less time fricking around with refueling if they went to an EV. But that makes perfect sense when you see how geeked up people get about Bucees and stupid shite like that.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:07 am to billjamin
I think it would be cool to own one for my daily commute…
My issue is the whole replace your battery thing after x amount of years….
I drive my cars as long as they stay reliable but if you have to replace the batteries and its 10k or more, you can’t even sell the car for much of anything at that point…
That would be a deal killer for me .
My issue is the whole replace your battery thing after x amount of years….
I drive my cars as long as they stay reliable but if you have to replace the batteries and its 10k or more, you can’t even sell the car for much of anything at that point…
That would be a deal killer for me .
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:11 am to thekid
Another question Imgo tomis how long do tires last on these things? They are substantially heavier than a gas burner. I would imagine tread life would be decreased by a good amount.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:21 am to dewster
I wouldn't mind having one if I didn't have to drive all over Texas.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:23 am to thekid
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My issue is the whole replace your battery thing after x amount of years
One of the more misunderstood issues.
Batteries slowly degrade per cycle. How far the degradation can go is personal. Replacement prices you see on the internet don’t take into account the salvage value of the existing unit. It’s a developing market but will be quite good by the time modern EVs start to cycle out storage units.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:24 am to SingleMalt1973
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Another question Imgo tomis how long do tires last on these things? They are substantially heavier than a gas burner. I would imagine tread life would be decreased by a good amount.
A model 3 and BMW 3 series are within a couple hundred pounds of each other. It’s a nothing burger. I find it funny people dont ask the same question about a diesel F250 FX4 mall crawler.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 10:25 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:26 am to FLTech
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FLTech
still waiting on those glorious words, baw.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:27 am to dewster
EV's make a ton of sense as an around town urban runabout vehicle. Take the golf cart neighborhood use case and expand it to around town. But most people look at it from a "My only vehicle" use case and manufacturers are trying to convince people EV's can work in that scenario and it's just not a good use case for an EV. Only Tesla makes sense in that use case because of the super charger network and infrastructure. That's one of the many reasons Teslas sell so well compared to other EVs.
What most people probably need is something small cheap with enough room to carry 4 comfortably with some groceries or golf clubs in the back and run around town. Cheap enough to buy as a 2nd or 3rd vehicle in your normal middle class income. The average person drives 15k miles a year. Which is about 41 miles a day. An EV with a small battery with a 100 miles range could cover that comfortably with room to spare. With a simple 110v charger adding about ~4 miles of range per hour, plug it in by 8pm and you will have it back to full charge in the morning before you head to work at 7am. But for a lot of people their car is a status symbol and don't want to drive around in a cheap small EV even if it makes the most sense from a practical perspective.
What most people probably need is something small cheap with enough room to carry 4 comfortably with some groceries or golf clubs in the back and run around town. Cheap enough to buy as a 2nd or 3rd vehicle in your normal middle class income. The average person drives 15k miles a year. Which is about 41 miles a day. An EV with a small battery with a 100 miles range could cover that comfortably with room to spare. With a simple 110v charger adding about ~4 miles of range per hour, plug it in by 8pm and you will have it back to full charge in the morning before you head to work at 7am. But for a lot of people their car is a status symbol and don't want to drive around in a cheap small EV even if it makes the most sense from a practical perspective.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:28 am to dewster
Most people are just trying to survive. Pushing more expensive vehicles is contrary to that.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:29 am to Tarps99
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I have always thought of this for a hybrid, an all electric drive for a car with a smaller ICE engine producing enough electricity only to keep charging the battery and supply electric power to the electric motors if the battery is completely dead. The ICE motor will shut off when not needed.
Battery capacity on a full charge would need to have at least a 100-200 mile range to be effective instead of 30 miles.
Most people aren't driving 100-200 miles roundtrip every day. It's less than 8 miles from my house to my office which has charging and back. Even running errands a 30-40 mile all electric range should be more than enough, if not it'll kick over to gas.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:40 am to billjamin
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That’s a lot of words to not answer the question. As long as you’re ok with spending more time at gas stations than 99% of EV owners through your life then I guess you achieved your goal.
Sure Jan.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:41 am to DeoreDX
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Only Tesla makes sense in that use case because of the super charger network and infrastructure.
It's funny to see all the people sitting at the super charger at the Buccees in Bastrop, TX. They're deploying their window shades and reading books, long after I've take a shite, paid for food, and left.
Has anyone mentioned the child labor involved in cobalt mining?
The Marxist assholes that spend a lot of time in these threads keep pushing "more infrastructure" to support EVs, which means more taxes and more control. Fast forward a couple of years, and the HOV lanes you currently use will probably be restricted to EVs only. frick you all.
Stop with the subsidies, the tax credits, the preferential treatment, the mandates on fleet composition, etc.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:42 am to billjamin
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Americans are too stupid to do basic math and realize that the vast majority of people would spend less time fricking around with refueling if they went to an EV. But that makes perfect sense when you see how geeked up people get about Bucees and stupid shite like that.
The funny part is all of the immature man-children on here who wait until the last minute to fuel up. I don't let my car get below 1/3 of a tank. "What if there is no power from a storm!?!?" You go wait in line for an hour to fill up your gas cans. I'll go charge at a friend's house who has juice. Extreme circumstances do not prove an argument.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:42 am to WWII Collector
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and if I could have read he mind as she looked at me in disgust was: "damn it, if I had bought a gas powered car I would be on the road by now like this guy."
My oh my you found the elusive 1% of EV owners!
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