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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:16 am to doubleb
Are the tax numbers updated? Does that 44 million include the recently annexed businesses?
Also doesn’t Central pay higher sales tax?
Also why isn’t the accrued liability not accounted for in the first year budget? When will that hit?
Also doesn’t Central pay higher sales tax?
Also why isn’t the accrued liability not accounted for in the first year budget? When will that hit?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:30 am to MrCoolBeans
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OP by MrCoolBeans
Are the tax numbers updated? Does that 44 million include the recently annexed businesses?
Broome’s people testified in court that the parish’s general fund would lose 44 m in sakes tax if SG became a city. She used GF money to pay city services. Services that SG does not receive.
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Also doesn’t Central pay higher sales tax?
Not for city government.
The citizens there did vote in a sales tax increase to support their school district. That revenue does not got to the city of Central.
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Also why isn’t the accrued liability not accounted for in the first year budget? When will that hit?
Per the SG CPA a city isn’t required to budget for that in the general fund.
And what pension liabilities should SG pay that we wouldn’t pay anyway. Not Sheriff, BREC, Library, Sewer, EMS, MARC. Nor should we pay for BRFD or BRPD.
That leaves a small quantity of C-P withers that did work in SG. We would be partially responsible for those workers, but that is just a small portion of CP liabilities.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:59 am to doubleb
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Broome’s people testified in court that the parish’s general fund would lose 44 m in sakes tax if SG became a city. She used GF money to pay city services. Services that SG does not receive.
i'm sorry, but i have no reason to believe she isn't fudging those numbers.
Why can't we come up with an actual number ourselves, or do we need that info to come from the city of BR, and if so, why can't they give us that exact number?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 11:22 am to TeddyPadillac
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i'm sorry, but i have no reason to believe she isn't fudging those numbers.
Why can't we come up with an actual number ourselves, or do we need that info to come from the city of BR, and if so, why can't they give us that exact number?
Our CPA testified in court that SG’s total revenue would be about 48 million. That would include sales tax.
I’m sure he’s got his own estimate for just the sales tax, but the paper didn’t have just sales tax in their article.
44 million seems about right.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:39 pm to doubleb
With all the annexations, what will be providing the majority of sales tax?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:10 pm to doubleb
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Broome’s people testified in court that the parish’s general fund…$44M
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General fund
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$44M
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:28 pm to MrCoolBeans
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With all the annexations, what will be providing the majority of sales tax?
that's why i keep asking about this.
I'm sure she is fudging that number and including things like all of Siegen, and womens hospital, and whatever other businesses like shithead H&E Equipment want out so that the number looks larger than it actually is.
$48M can sound right, but i seriously doubt we'd only get a $4M revenue from property taxes. that doesn't sound right.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
So, by the numbers SG will have somewhere around 44 to 48 million per year or BR will be 44 to 48 a year less.
I’m fairly certain anyone with any sense would prefer the 44 to 48 mil to stay within their area to pay for shite vs fill the coffers of BR.
Has anyone found, heard, or accounted for how much of that 44 to 48 mil goes back to St George projects now?
It is also a seriously bad look for BRPD to be whining about not getting money from people they don’t even service. Add to that their star witnesses are rich businessmen who only operate in and develop the “good” parts of town. Maybe Lipsey and Enquist should move their operations to NBR or do some $600,000 per house developments off Plank.
I’m fairly certain anyone with any sense would prefer the 44 to 48 mil to stay within their area to pay for shite vs fill the coffers of BR.
Has anyone found, heard, or accounted for how much of that 44 to 48 mil goes back to St George projects now?
It is also a seriously bad look for BRPD to be whining about not getting money from people they don’t even service. Add to that their star witnesses are rich businessmen who only operate in and develop the “good” parts of town. Maybe Lipsey and Enquist should move their operations to NBR or do some $600,000 per house developments off Plank.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:23 pm to td1
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:41 pm to td1
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It is also a seriously bad look for BRPD to be whining about not getting money from people they don’t even service
I agree, but I also think the Sheriff's Office should then relinquish the property taxes collected from incorporated Baton Rouge to the city's budget.
Incorporated Baton Rouge pays a shite ton to the Sheriff's Office and receives virtually nothing in return.
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FYI it's about 15 mills on property taxes that goes to EBRSO.
East Baton Rouge Parish - approx. 456,000 people
Baton Rouge - 225,000
Even being very generous to EBRSO and anti-BR, BR is likely providing at least 30 million of the Sheriff's Office budget of ~100 million per year. Let's send that money to BRPD's budget instead.
This post was edited on 5/10/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:45 pm to doubleb
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Here are the stats;
Central has 29,565 people SG 86,316
Central 62.5 square miles; SG 60 square miles
Central receives 9.43 m in sales tax; SG is est. to receive 44million
Central receives 10.2 m in total rev; SG est.. To receive 48 m
Central budget est.. 8.63 million in spending; thus a 1.6 m surplus.
SG CPA estimates SG will spend 28m; thus a 20m surplus.
SG has almost three times the population as Central does, about the same area, but SG should receive nearly 5 times more in sales taxes and other revenues.
Got no dog in this hunt, but I hope more than this "back of napkins economics" was presented in court. Sales tax has nothing to do with population, its about businesses and services paying taxes. Also total land area has almost nothing to do with costs and revenue, even at the same size Central is largely undeveloped with very little infrastructure to maintain while St. George is a moderately built out suburban area. Comparing Central to St. George and claiming proportional revenues and costs since they are almost the same land size is laughable.
Doing the real numbers could make St. George's budget look better, but this analysis ain't it.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
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i'm sorry, but i have no reason to believe she isn't fudging those numbers.
And how much of that money is being funneled back into her own pockets? I hope Kiran uncovers something so big it would put Broome’s arse away in prison.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:54 pm to NOLALGD
The projected sales tax revenue for the area is already known without any info about Central. It's approximately $48M and growing.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:55 pm to doubleb
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Broome’s people testified in court that the parish’s general fund would lose 44 m in sakes tax if SG became a city. She used GF money to pay city services. Services that SG does not receive.
Isn't that a crime?
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:09 pm to NOLALGD
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Got no dog in this hunt, but I hope more than this "back of napkins economics" was presented in court.
This is exactly why I question if the SG organizers know what they are doing.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:20 pm to NOLALGD
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Got no dog in this hunt, but I hope more than this "back of napkins economics" was presented in court. Sales tax has nothing to do with population, its about businesses and services paying taxes. Also total land area has almost nothing to do with costs and revenue, even at the same size Central is largely undeveloped with very little infrastructure to maintain while St. George is a moderately built out suburban area. Comparing Central to St. George and claiming proportional revenues and costs since they are almost the same land size is laughable.
Doing the real numbers could make St. George's budget look better, but this analysis ain't i
The tax numbers and revenue numbers were presented by the local newspaper and taken from court testimony.
My opinion is certainly not a budget; nor was it an attempt to be one; however, the facts I presented are clear indications that SG like Central have sufficient revenues to provide the prescribed city services.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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Broome’s people testified in court that the parish’s general fund would lose 44 m in sakes tax if SG became a city. She used GF money to pay city services. Services that SG does not receive.
Isn't that a crime?
If it is they admitted to it.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 3:25 pm to MrCoolBeans
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Got no dog in this hunt, but I hope more than this "back of napkins economics" was presented in court.
This is exactly why I question if the SG organizers know what they are doing.
You guys are something else. Expert witness testified in court, I site a few facts about his testimony and compare SG with Central and you guys want more? There would be more if the local paper and tv covered the trial.
The experts have been testifying in court all last week and part of this week. City experts and SG experts. I suspect there was more than a “napkin” placed on the record as evidence.
Posted on 5/10/22 at 4:13 pm to Huey Lewis
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ETA:
FYI it's about 15 mills on property taxes that goes to EBRSO.
East Baton Rouge Parish - approx. 456,000 people
Baton Rouge - 225,000
Even being very generous to EBRSO and anti-BR, BR is likely providing at least 30 million of the Sheriff's Office budget of ~100 million per year. Let's send that money to BRPD's budget instead.
The Sheriff does multiple tasks.
Sure they have a criminal division. But they also have a civil division that collects property taxes in the parish, that serves civil subpoenas, handles wage garnishments, court seizures, does evictions and collects traffic and criminal fines.
The Sheriff also runs the Parish Prison. They house the prisoners and transport them to court when necesssry.
The Sheriff does way more than just patrol and chase bad guys.
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