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re: Israeli force kills 4 children in Gaza
Posted on 7/17/14 at 7:51 am to hendersonshands
Posted on 7/17/14 at 7:51 am to hendersonshands
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people want us to believe Israel is innocent in all of this.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 7:52 am to CAD703X
Israel is guilty, yes. Of defending themselves against filthy murdering muslims.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 7:55 am to NoNameNeeded
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 7:55 am to NoNameNeeded
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Why hasn't the West forced integration on Israel similar to that of the anti-Apartheid movement that broke South Africa via divestments? Full desegregation and integration, complete with quotas and preferences, is the best way to go about this.
We do this in our country, not working out so great.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:05 am to Tigerlaff
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Agreed. They should not get one dime.
I am all for this. Then Israel would destroy their threats. I think that money is like a bribe to keep Israel in check...without it they say frick the US we will handle our enemies like we want.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:09 am to Topwater Trout
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I think that money is like a bribe to keep Israel in check...without it they say frick the US we will handle our enemies like we want.
The U.S. pays a lot of bribes world wide, I am for letting the chips fall where they may and stopping the bribes.
I support Israel's rights to defend their country and it is the only Country that gives me pause to go against in war.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:10 am to Mulat
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I am for letting the chips fall where they may and stopping the bribes.
I agree
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:17 am to TutHillTiger
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For every Jew killed there have been 200 Palestinians killed so far. If we think this is OK, then we cant bitch when an Islamic terrorist kills a bunch of us.
The frick we can't. First, we're not Israel. We don't even prop up Israel. We are aligned with Israel, which makes sense as they're the most functioning and civilized country in the region, but especially with regard the present administration, holding us accountable for the actions of Israel is tenuous at best.
Furthermore, the concept that we're the children of the same God is always amusing to me. If you mean we're all children of the one true God, I agree. If your claim is that Allah and God are the same, I entirely disagree.
We all understand the shared lineage between faiths, and the concept of Allah/God as a shared idea. But when multiple faiths have ascribed incalculable differing characteristics to their deities since at least the 8th century, how can they be considered the same?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 8:25 am to Pettifogger
They oughta kick out ALL the Arabs and Israelis and tell 'em to find some other place to live. Then turn the region over to Buddhists--they don't fight, all they do is meditate all day. Problem solved.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:04 am to Bourre
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Some of us realize that the Palestinian leadership has no desire for peace. How can you negotiate with people who think you should not even exist?
Don't forget about the West Bankl, they just want to live their lives like normal people. The Palestinian Authority is a rational and peaceful actor. Netenyahu used the murder of the three teens as a pretext to whip up racist fervor and round up Hamas members in the West Bank who were released as part of a prisoner exchange.
The government knew all along the kids were dead but didn't pass up a chance to incite more hatred.
Both sides deserve to live in peace and dignity, but we are too quick to paint EVERY Palestinian as a terrorist and forget that Israel really is an apartheid state.
The Israelis want to establish a Jewish state. Yet they are the 'only true democracy' in the Middle East... democratic? Sure. Tolerant and free? Hardly.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:07 am to Pettifogger
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The frick we can't. First, we're not Israel. We don't even prop up Israel. We are aligned with Israel, which makes sense as they're the most functioning and civilized country in the region, but especially with regard the present administration, holding us accountable for the actions of Israel is tenuous at best.
We prop them up diplomatically in places like the UN, we prop them up financially and militarily. Just the other day Congress doubled our payment of the Iron Dome to 600+ mil in order to buy more for the Israelis.
We are happy to sell the Israelis our best weaponry. Nevermind that IAI tried to sell top end radar equipment derived from American hardware to the Chinese in the late 90s
We can treat Israel like our brother and have their back in everything, but we can't be afraid to knock them around when they get out of line either.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:15 am to SM6
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We prop them up diplomatically in places like the UN, we prop them up financially and militarily. Just the other day Congress doubled our payment of the Iron Dome to 600+ mil in order to buy more for the Israelis.
We are happy to sell the Israelis our best weaponry. Nevermind that IAI tried to sell top end radar equipment derived from American hardware to the Chinese in the late 90s
We can treat Israel like our brother and have their back in everything, but we can't be afraid to knock them around when they get out of line either.
Israel takes advantage of the US. But, Israel is capable in its own right. We likely "prop" up Pakistan and Egypt more, given their respective abilities to support themselves militarily.
We also sell to Arab allies, obviously.
Morally, I have no favor for Palestine. I do think Israel overreacts, but I also concede that Israel has taken the position that it will not, under any circumstances, find itself the victim again.
In the US, it troubles me that a minority of Christians and Jews favor Israel's interests over our own. I support Israel, but certainly not at that level, where they can do no wrong. Moreover, you can recognize that Israel (and the US) take actions that likely breed contempt and problems without placing moral blame on them. It's a difficult political argument to make (see Rand and 9/11), but it's legitimate. That doesn't mean you have to also morally equate a country that values its weapons more than its children with those who actively seek to avoid civilian casualties, frequently to their detriment.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:22 am to bmy
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More than are currently dying now, obviously. For every 1 Israeli death ~18 Palestinian civilians are killed. It's terrorism on both sides.. only one side is far better at it.
My only issue with the entire subject is that we give money to Israel so they can keep bombing brown people.
Do you honestly think that the IDF is just targeting civilian areas for no other reason than to kill women & children? Are people really this much in the dark on the subject that they're unaware Hamas hides it rocket stores and launch sites in heavily populated areas for the sole purpose of making sure their own people suffer high civilian casualties?
For people like this, honestly, let me ask you this. What should Israel do? You've got literally hundreds of rockets incoming daily targeting Israeli civilians. These rockets are coming from civilian areas controlled by Hamas. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you do?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:37 am to Bourre
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Some of us realize that the Palestinian leadership has no desire for peace. How can you negotiate with people who think you should not even exist?
Some of you are wrong, really.
I'm not going to defend the "leadership" of the Palestinians, past or present.
I am going to tell you why Arafat turned down the "offer." It was not an offer.
Here is the best way to describe the "offer:" Israel will allow you to have your house back. Israel will control the windows, doors, and hallways.
It was a bullshite offer, and of course it was rejected. Israel does not want peace.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:39 am to hendersonshands
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people want us to believe Israel is innocent in all of this.
both sides hands our dirty but Hamas uses human shields
the Poli board on this is fricking insane.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:40 am to REG861
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Both sides are culpable. It's well known Hamas uses human shields, but Israel's aggression and settlement policies are also obscene.
This sums it up.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:41 am to Geauxrilla Ballz
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It was a bullshite offer, and of course it was rejected. Israel does not want peace.
Of course Israel wants peace. It also wants to keep what it has. I do think Israel seeks justifications to push back against aggression, but do you really think that absent Palestinian aggression, Israel would initiate military actions?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 9:53 am to Darth_Vader
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Are people really this much in the dark on the subject that they're unaware Hamas hides it rocket stores and launch sites in heavily populated areas for the sole purpose of making sure their own people suffer high civilian casualties?
20 missiles found in UN-run school in Gaza
But but but it's Israel's fault women and children are killed
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:01 am to Pettifogger
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Israel takes advantage of the US. But, Israel is capable in its own right. We likely "prop" up Pakistan and Egypt more, given their respective abilities to support themselves militarily.
We also sell to Arab allies, obviously.
Morally, I have no favor for Palestine. I do think Israel overreacts, but I also concede that Israel has taken the position that it will not, under any circumstances, find itself the victim again.
In the US, it troubles me that a minority of Christians and Jews favor Israel's interests over our own. I support Israel, but certainly not at that level, where they can do no wrong. Moreover, you can recognize that Israel (and the US) take actions that likely breed contempt and problems without placing moral blame on them. It's a difficult political argument to make (see Rand and 9/11), but it's legitimate. That doesn't mean you have to also morally equate a country that values its weapons more than its children with those who actively seek to avoid civilian casualties, frequently to their detriment.
Anti-antisemitism much?
You do realize 6 million jews died in the Holocaust Mr. Racist. How many more need to die? You anti-Semites make me sick.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 10:02 am to White Shadeaux
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Israel is guilty, yes. Of defending themselves against filthy murdering muslims.
This. Why can't Israel use nukes already against the barbarians already.
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