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re: Is white privilege a real thing?

Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:09 pm to
I think anyone who can be reasonably objective will admit there's not necessarily a white privilege, but there is a definite black misfortune. All of the people answering no: if you could change your skin color to black right now, would you? I certainly wouldn't.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34858 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

quote: Get over it, move on, and start working for improving your situation now instead of expecting reparations from the past.

White privilege at its finest.



Black cry babying at its finest

Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42795 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:13 pm to
I believe that there is black misconception. The people who speak the loudest are the ones who have nothing to show for and give excuses.

The ones who are quiet try not to clump themselves into this group do to the fear they will lose their "come uppance" is the best way I can explain.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69222 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:18 pm to
The choice to commit crimes is merely up to the individual. Te question would then be do blacks commit more crimes simply due to their skin color, or are their other factors in play?

There are 3 priveleges:
Wealth
Fame
2 Parent household

The most important indicator of the first one is the last one.

What causes crime? Generally, crime is committed by poor people. What causes poverty? Is it simply a lack of money? A lack of education?

Well, typically, poverty and a lack of education in this country correlates greatly with not being raised by two parents living in the same household. This indicator transends race, though a greater percentage of African Americans are raised in single parent households, it is equally as predictive for white households.

Single larent households are more poor, less educated, and commit more crimes.

The causes of single parent households are entitlement programs which allow women with no skills to survive without a husband and actually pay them more for each child they have out of wedlock, and the war on drugs which lock massive numbers of men in prison and create a huge black market ruled by violence.

In the end, most things attributed to "white privelege" are really the negative consequences of our federal government's broken entitlement system, broken educational system, and failed wars on drugs and poverty.

What breaks the education system, though? It is broken by massive populations of kids who simply don't care. Those kids have parents who don't care, generally only one. Why don't their parents care? The parents are living off of entitlements. Entitlements allow them to live without working. If you don't need a job to support yourself, you don't need to go to college. If you don't need to go to college or get a job, you don't need to study hard in school. However, you are still required to show up. Our schools are then filled with people who don't value education because it creates no value for them.

The entire endemic of crime, poverty, and police brutality as well as the loss of our rights, the destruction of our cities, and so many other issues we face daily all trace back to the war on drugs and the war on poverty.

Legalize drugs and end federal entitlement programs and these kinds of things won't hallen any more.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:21 pm to
It is nothing
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 10:10 pm
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47141 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

I think anyone who can be reasonably objective will admit there's not necessarily a white privilege, but there is a definite black misfortune. All of the people answering no: if you could change your skin color to black right now, would you? I certainly wouldn't.


That stupid. No black people would change to white either. Majority of people are proud of their heritage.
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:24 pm to
Let's not forget reperations have been underway for some time now.

Free money:
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20049 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

I think he phrased it incorrectly.

If you're white, don't say whether you'd trade for being black, but would you trade to be treated (?) like a black person comparable to your social or economic status? If not, why? If so, do you not think you'd be treated any differently?


shel311 - I changed one word in your quote (see the question mark above) which I think is what you meant. If not, please pardon.

Personally, it's hard for me to even conceive of what you're asking. I'm content being who God created me to be - skin color and all even though there are people of most races of whom I admire their talents.

OTOH, if (I thought) God created me Asian, black, etc I wouldn't want to be white.

As I understand "white privilege" it pertains to being giving certain breaks, leniency, judgments, acceptance strictly on the color of one's skin. I don't think such privilege exists.

What I think exists is what I can call 'black dis-privilege." People of other races will look upon blacks with (for lack of a better word) suspicion not because of their skin color but because of the community/culture so readily associated with blacks.

Blacks, more so than any other ethnic group, have segregated themselves. There are historic black colleges, the congressional black caucus, black Miss America, black spring break, black history month,they are the progenitors (as far as I know) of hyphen-Americans. To most's knowledge, there are no historic Asian colleges and so forth.

I know, these were created (rightly so) because blacks were disenfranchised and discriminated against.

IMO, they went in one-side of of an inversion cone and never came out the other unlike any other ethnic group.







Posted by Maverick01
Member since Sep 2015
581 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:25 pm to
Nobody is crying. I'm stating facts. I went to college, and I have a good job. I don't want/need a hand out, I am merely making the point that there is an outstanding debt to blacks that never got paid off, and it should get paid off. Imagine the size a company could get to if it didn't have to pay out wages for over 250 years. Now Wal-mart is an international multi-billion dollar company that pays out wages, and has only been around for a fraction of time slavery was in existence, so that should be a pretty adequate depiction of the economic impact free labor for that magnitude of years could have on a country. Billions of dollars made off my ancestor's back, whole white families acquiring immensive sums of wealth, but the people who were responsible for it all, my people, never got a dime. We have every fricking right to be angry. Fair is fair.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47141 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:27 pm to
What does that have to do with you?
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8517 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

That stupid. No black people would change to white either. Majority of people are proud of their heritage.



What about if you HAD to change your race? In what order would black be chosen? I'd certainly much rather be Latino or Asian in America.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:28 pm to
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Is white privilege a real thing?




Of course not. If it were there wouldn't be so many whites living in poverty.


Just that the face that you would ask such a silly thing is illustrative as to how screwed up this country is right now.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47141 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:30 pm to
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What about if you HAD to change your race? In what order would black be chosen? I'd certainly much rather be Latino or Asian in America.


We dont get to pick our race. Its a dumb argument. We define ourselves by our ethics and morals, not our color. If your only defining factor in your life is your color you have failed.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69222 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:35 pm to
Slavery has been outlawed for 150 years. Most generational wealth is gone by the third generation. Our taxation system has already redistributed the vast majority of that wealth via death taxes, entitlemet programs, and income taxes to poor African Americans. Blacks, especially have massive hand-up programs like Pell Grants, minority scholarships, diversity hiting, ect that give greater opportunity to black students and workers than any other group at the expense of white males.

This is reality. Whatever "head start" slavery gave the white man has long since lapsed. Asians have caught up. Hispanics will catch up inside of 2 generations, yet blacks are worse off, objectively, than they were in 1959. Why?

Black culture ate the democrat line bate, hook, and sinker that entitlements would free them from poverty. Instead, they trapped them in poverty, destroyed the family unit by promoting out of wedlock births, and locked up black fathers with the War on Drugs. All other cultures, for the most part, rejected this behavior as negative and taboo. Although whites are increasingly adopting this culture of dependency, addiction, and out of wedlock births, the black culture has made this the acceptable way of life and hard work, getting an education, ect as taboo.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34858 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:36 pm to
Ok let's agree to disagree

No more name calling, I apologize for that..

You keep speaking about reparations, and at first I was just fricking with you, but now I'm serious... What would you consider to be a fair payback? A certain dollar amount? Does it go to ALL African Americans? I'm interested in seeing your plan of action if that were to come to fruition
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8517 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:36 pm to
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We dont get to pick our race. Its a dumb argument. We define ourselves by our ethics and morals, not our color. If your only defining factor in your life is your color you have failed.


It's not a dumb argument. You're just side stepping the question because you realize it would expose your preconceptions about what it is to be black. I never said anything about race being a defining factor. If it was far from such a thing, you would have no problem answering that you wouldn't mind being black as it wouldn't be a big deal. However, we can see that's certainly not what happened here.
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47141 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

It's not a dumb argument. You're just side stepping the question because you realize it would expose your preconceptions about what it is to be black. I never said anything about race being a defining factor. If it was far from such a thing, you would have no problem answering that you wouldn't mind being black as it wouldn't be a big deal. However, we can see that's certainly not what happened here.


No its absolutely stupid. If i was trying to prove some point i would just say black. Its just a dumb scenario you are proposing. Do i get to pick other shite like my height, athletic ability, if my parents are rich, etc? Or am i just picking some random shade of color for my skin?
Posted by Maverick01
Member since Sep 2015
581 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

What does that have to do with you?




Ask that to the white families that are still spending stolen wages. Do you not understand that slaves had basically zero earning potential? Do you understand how this created a huge socioeconomic divide between whites and blacks that would continue on into the future? Do you realize that less than 60 years ago blacks didnt have basic human rights? Whites have been fricking over blacks for centuries, but it's suddenly black people's fault that they are in a fricked up situation. Classic denial
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
106005 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:51 pm to
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White privilege at its finest.


You mean keeping it real at its finest.

Self-professed leaders of BLM, Rev Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, the NAACP (in its modern form) are all making money off keeping black people stupid and naive to the plights that they should be addressing.

Helping single mothers in their communities raise their children to be better men and women, reducing substance abuse and crime, and improving their community schools with community support should be their focus long before white cops shooting black men/women.

But then they'd lose their cash cow.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464991 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Ask that to the white families that are still spending stolen wages.

you do realize most of these people lost all of that in the civil war, right?

quote:

Do you realize that less than 60 years ago blacks didnt have basic human rights?

what about the issues that have gotten worse since then, within the black population?
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