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Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:17 pm to Gaggle
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Coriolis effect just doesn't exist at all.
Do you think I account for the effect for shits and giggles? Because the math of motion of the atmosphere would be a hell of a lot simpler if it was a not-rotating plane.
Too bad if you dont account for the effect of the rotation and curvature of the earth the math doesnt work.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:18 pm to Not Cooper
Of course it's been insinuated. Everything has been insinuated. There is not some clear line of scientific progress where we realized it was round. That's a myth. Flatness was still taught in the 20th century. For 100 years there was believed to be another large island near Iceland called Frisland. In the 19th century all maps showed polar land and the Santa Claus myth developed that he lived there. Even in the 1950s and the 1960s they were taught of the continent of Arctica. But now we are told it is all ocean and icebergs. There is not and was never a period of scientific advancement where round earth was proved. When was this period? It wasn't the Greeks, wasn't medieval times, flat earth persisted well into our era. All it really is is post WW2 propaganda (BTW none of their incontinental sonar and radar used during the war over thousands of miles should've worked on round earth). They took control of schools and started teaching it, and now scientific theories have to be formed around it or they will ban you. That's how it happened.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:19 pm to Korkstand
Holy shite I've spent a couple hours catching up on this thread.
Can someone please answer a couple questions for me? I promise to be polite, and refrain from commenting on any of my theological beliefs or educational status.
Since we're discussing only what we can see and observe, I think the vast majority of the population would agree how mirrors work. When you look into a mirror and see your reflection, that's you in it, no? Your spouse, partner, friends, or family would confirm that what you're seeing and what they're seeing are the same?
So I have an 8" Dobsonian telescope from Zhumell. This is a manual telescope with no equatorial tracking (although EQ platforms can be made at home). From my backyard outside Baton Rouge, I can use my telescope to observe Jupiter, among numerous other planets and galaxies. But for my questions, I would like to keep it strictly on the planet Jupiter. Again, we discussed how mirrors and reflection work. Here are my questions, based off of what I, or you, can observe with your own eyes:
1.) Once I've placed the planet Jupiter in my eyepiece, it should stay there, correct? My telescope mirror is stationary, so Jupiter shouldn't wander out of my field of view, should it?
2.) While bumping my telescope along and keeping Jupiter within view, I can observe the infamous Great Red Spot. Over the course of several hours, why does the Great Red Spot move across the planet as if Jupiter were rotating? Why is the Great Red Spot not always visible when I am observing with my own eyes?
Lastly, over the course of those same few hours, why are the most prominent moons of Jupiter moving around the planet? Why do the smaller moons appear to be orbiting the larger object, in very much the same way that the Earth is "allegedly" orbiting the Sun?
Again, we can observe all of this with our own eyes using an eyepiece and an 8" mirror.
Can someone please answer a couple questions for me? I promise to be polite, and refrain from commenting on any of my theological beliefs or educational status.
Since we're discussing only what we can see and observe, I think the vast majority of the population would agree how mirrors work. When you look into a mirror and see your reflection, that's you in it, no? Your spouse, partner, friends, or family would confirm that what you're seeing and what they're seeing are the same?
So I have an 8" Dobsonian telescope from Zhumell. This is a manual telescope with no equatorial tracking (although EQ platforms can be made at home). From my backyard outside Baton Rouge, I can use my telescope to observe Jupiter, among numerous other planets and galaxies. But for my questions, I would like to keep it strictly on the planet Jupiter. Again, we discussed how mirrors and reflection work. Here are my questions, based off of what I, or you, can observe with your own eyes:
1.) Once I've placed the planet Jupiter in my eyepiece, it should stay there, correct? My telescope mirror is stationary, so Jupiter shouldn't wander out of my field of view, should it?
2.) While bumping my telescope along and keeping Jupiter within view, I can observe the infamous Great Red Spot. Over the course of several hours, why does the Great Red Spot move across the planet as if Jupiter were rotating? Why is the Great Red Spot not always visible when I am observing with my own eyes?
Lastly, over the course of those same few hours, why are the most prominent moons of Jupiter moving around the planet? Why do the smaller moons appear to be orbiting the larger object, in very much the same way that the Earth is "allegedly" orbiting the Sun?
Again, we can observe all of this with our own eyes using an eyepiece and an 8" mirror.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:19 pm to JAGuyHeh
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I seriously doubt that it's 'harder to put a satellite into a polar orbit due to the earth's rotation'. What is your proof of that?
Hundreds of years of science, physics, etc. It is easiest to place a satellite in orbit by launching as close to the equator as possible and launch as close to due East as possible and gravity helps boost the launch vehicle to orbital velocity.
The more off that launch profile you get, the harder it gets to achieve orbit.
Get back to us after you discover the wonder that is Newton's Third Law of Motion
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:22 pm to VanRIch
Good questions. Should be easy to answer.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:22 pm to Gaggle
Are you a Dr like Dr pepper is a Dr?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:22 pm to Gaggle
quote:
There is not some clear line of scientific progress where we realized it was round.
Not only did the Ancient Greeks sort out the Earth was round, they calculated it's diameter to a reasonable degree of accuracy (particularly for the time).
Folks ignoring those hard facts over the past 2500 years were just wrong. I don't know what else to tell you.
The Space Race in the 1960s should have ended what stubborn ignorance on this issues that remained.
Yet here we are...
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:22 pm to Gaggle
quote:
Of course it's been insinuated. Everything has been insinuated. There is not some clear line of scientific progress where we realized it was round. That's a myth. Flatness was still taught in the 20th century. For 100 years there was believed to be another large island near Iceland called Frisland. In the 19th century all maps showed polar land and the Santa Claus myth developed that he lived there. Even in the 1950s and the 1960s they were taught of the continent of Arctica. But now we are told it is all ocean and icebergs. There is not and was never a period of scientific advancement where round earth was proved. When was this period? It wasn't the Greeks, wasn't medieval times, flat earth persisted well into our era. All it really is is post WW2 propaganda (BTW none of their incontinental sonar and radar used during the war over thousands of miles should've worked on round earth). They took control of schools and started teaching it, and now scientific theories have to be formed around it or they will ban you. That's how it happened.
We've had no advances in technology or understanding of the world since then says the guy posting on the internet on either a home computer or a smartphone.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:22 pm to htcthc321
That's why the ancients thought planets were Gods. Unlike the stars moon and sun they move independently
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:23 pm to Gaggle
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That's why the ancients thought planets were Gods. Unlike the stars moon and sun they move independently
Wait wait wait.
What?
Are they beyond the dome? Inside the dome?
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:24 pm to Fun Bunch
Pertaining to the roundness of earth. God you can't even read.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:25 pm to Displaced
From our perspective the stars rotate around Earth's sky, the sun and moon move around earth. However the planets have independent orbits. How else can I explain this?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:25 pm to Gaggle
quote:What do you think is the reason?
That's why the ancients thought planets were Gods. Unlike the stars moon and sun they move independently
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:27 pm to northshorebamaman
The reason we can't see the curve? Because it's flat.
Investigate the flatness, then ponder the planets.
Investigate the flatness, then ponder the planets.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:30 pm to Gaggle
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That's why the ancients thought planets were Gods. Unlike the stars moon and sun they move independently
OK but you and I could be standing in my backyard, and the stars and visible planets move overhead the same as our Moon does. How?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:33 pm to htcthc321
They don't move the same. The stars rotate slowly over a year around Polaris. The moon rises and sets constantly
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:34 pm to Gaggle
quote:Nice dodge.
The reason we can't see the curve? Because it's flat.
I quoted what my question was in reference to in the post.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:35 pm to Gaggle
quote:
The stars rotate slowly over a year around Polaris
You sure about that hoss?
Posted on 4/11/22 at 4:36 pm to Gaggle
quote:Are you purposely misunderstanding questions now or are you just too far out of your depth?
They don't move the same.
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