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re: I'm taking legal action against the Office of Motor Vehicles
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:33 am to TheMollusk
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:33 am to TheMollusk
quote:Again, not having a Social security number doesn’t except an employer or employee from SS taxes. He’s just talking a pointless stand. Not having a SS# just makes his kid mostly unemployable in the US.
I wish I'd had a choice in the matter of Social Security, considering how much I've paid into it over the years
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Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:34 am to eitek1
quote:
I guess anything is possible but that’s not what’s happening here. No one is trying to avoid paying federal income taxes, myself included.
Then explain this
quote:
I chose not to register my son with the federal government retirement plan at birth because it was “easier for me”.
Why would he ever choose to pay 7.5-15% of his income tax over his working life while excluding himself from SS?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:35 am to armytiger96
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Did you ask him if he wants to get a SSN so he can get his permit before deciding to sue the gov? How long will it take for the suit gets resolved?
I have asked. He’s not once said “dad, let’s just go get my social security number”. If he did, that would be a different discussion.
He’s behind this.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:35 am to MemphisGuy
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C'mon, It'd be fun for you. Just give us a play by play of how it turns out for the OP.
I'm not getting disbarred for pulling a Rudy G
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And while you're at it... at least get the OP's son an SSN so he can avoid this nonsense in the future.
Lucky for him, I don't ask clients their SSN at intake and avoid having it in my filing unless absolutely necessary (and even then I just try to limit it to the last 4)
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:36 am to eitek1
quote:
He’s behind this.
He's behind making his life incredibly difficult to pay taxes his entire life for SS/Medicare, specifically to avoid getting any SS/Medicare benefits in the future?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:37 am to potent357
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Good. He would not be able to drive to get there.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:37 am to eitek1
quote:Which deals with alien individuals that do not have SS#s. The last sentence should be more clear, but it likely won’t be read out of context by the court like you are hoping.
This is the important paragraph…
I’ll bet your lawyer already told you this and required a pretty significant retainer.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:39 am to WDE24
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Which deals with alien individuals that do not have SS#s. The last sentence should be more clear, but it likely won’t be read out of context by the court like you are hoping.
I’m glad you pointed that out. It’s also the only part of the DMV law that mentions a requirement for a social security number. If that section only applies to alien individuals, then my son must be exempt.
Right?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:40 am to eitek1
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He’s behind this.
Because of your stupid arse
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:40 am to TheMollusk
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What a shitty take, he made the decision and said his son can go get one if he wants.
Well only if his son takes the bus
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:41 am to eitek1
quote:because historically, like in my day, ss numbers were generally not had by many until their teen years, and required a trip to an agency to get em. Now you have the paperwork filed at birth, it is mailed to you at about the same time as the birth certificate
didn’t used to be that way. They didn’t require it 15ish years ago. What changed? Can anyone answer that?
They figured, why the hell not, there is no issue that should preclude a rational human from obtaining it quick and easy prior to leaving the damn hospital
Now that we all have em so easily, except one it seems, just streamline the app process.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:42 am to eitek1
quote:Your understanding of the law is bad. I haven’t researched the issue, but your amateur attempts at legal reasoning and logic are making me less and less confident in your chances here
If that section only applies to alien individuals, then my son must be exempt. Right?
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:45 am to WDE24
Sovereign Citizens are next level mental gymnasts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:48 am to eitek1
quote:I'm sure you've given him a complete, unbiased explanation of the benefits and consequences.
I have asked. He’s not once said “dad, let’s just go get my social security number”. If he did, that would be a different discussion.
He’s behind this.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:49 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Sovereign Citizens are next level mental gymnasts
I am the legal representative of DEFENDANT. I am not the legal entity known as DEFENDANT, held by the state in all capital letters. I am not the all capital fiction. Under which jurisdiction do you bring this case? Common law or maritime law?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:51 am to eitek1
quote:Expresslane.org
SOCIAL SECURITY REQUIREMENT
• All applicants eligible for a social security number must provide the assigned number when applying for a driver's
license. Although the Social Security Number will not be displayed on the face of the license, that number must be
entered in the department's internal records.
• Any alien residing in Louisiana who does not possess and is ineligible to obtain a social security number shall be
required to furnish a letter from the Social Security Administration stipulating they are "ineligible" or that they "have not
been issued" a social security number for a Class D or E driver's license.
• In order to comply with the Military Selective Service Act, R.S. 32:40:1321(D)(1), the Social Security Number is
required from all male US citizens or immigrants age 15 to 26 who apply for a driver's license. Failure to provide the SSN
will result in the denial of issuance.
Further a driver's license is not a right. You keep mentioning "federal law." The Federal law is about freedom of movement:
(1) the right to enter one state and leave another (an inherent right with historical support from the Articles of Confederation),
(2) the right to be treated as a welcome visitor rather than a hostile stranger (protected by the "Privileges and Immunities" clause in Article IV, § 2), and
(3) (for those who become permanent residents of a state) the right to be treated equally to native-born citizens (this is protected by the 14th Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause; citing the majority opinion in the Slaughter-House Cases, Justice Stevens said, "the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment . . . has always been common ground that this Clause protects the third component of the right to travel.").
The state isn't restricting your movement because you want to travel by car.
quote:
A rich man can choose to drive a limousine; a poor man may have to walk. The poor man's lack of choice in his mode of travel may be unfortunate, but it is not unconstitutional." Monarch Travel Serv. v. Assoc. Cultural Clubs, 466 F.2d 552, 554 (9th Cir. 1972)
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:58 am to BigBinBR
You are correct, per the case you stated at the bottom.
If the state law doesn’t prohibit them from denying him a license then surely the federal law will.
“(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.
This is what is specifically referenced in the state law as well.
If the state law doesn’t prohibit them from denying him a license then surely the federal law will.
“(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.
This is what is specifically referenced in the state law as well.
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:59 am to eitek1
explain this
Why would he ever choose to pay 7.5-15% of his income tax over his working life while excluding himself from SS?
quote:
I chose not to register my son with the federal government retirement plan at birth because it was “easier for me”.
Why would he ever choose to pay 7.5-15% of his income tax over his working life while excluding himself from SS?
Posted on 11/9/24 at 9:00 am to eitek1
quote:
If the state law doesn’t prohibit them from denying him a license then surely the federal law will.
“(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security account number.
You left something out.
quote:
(2) the[330] provisions of paragraph (1) of this subsection shall not apply with respect to—
(A) any disclosure which is required by Federal statute, or
(B) the disclosure of a social security number to any Federal, State, or local agency maintaining a system of records in existence and operating before January 1, 1975, if such disclosure was required under statute or regulation adopted prior to such date to verify the identity of an individual.
Just some free legal advice, if you try this selectively-edited dishonesty in an actual legal brief, you are opening yourself up to sanctions from the court.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/9/24 at 9:00 am to cgrand
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…if I start benefits at 65 and live another 15 years after that I will receive $625,000 in SS income less taxes
Bingo. I'll start taking SS at FRA. Between my wife and I we'll get about $6k a month. Add that to my investments and I'll have a very nice income inretirement and may not need to touch principle until RMD kicks in at 75. I'm working now to minimize my RMD because that's where older people get screwed on taxes.
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