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I have basically ignored trying to understand pronoun talk but saw something sensible
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:56 am
2 minute clip explaining that you would never talk to someone by their “pronouns” regardless
LINK
Now I can go back to ignoring the topic
LINK
Now I can go back to ignoring the topic
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:06 am
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:57 am to tigerskin
You couldn't just paste the sensible comment?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:59 am to kywildcatfanone
No, it is more than just a comment to make his point.
The whole 2 minutes brings it together
The whole 2 minutes brings it together
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:03 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:17 am to tigerskin
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2 minute clip explaining that you would never talk to someone by their “pronouns” regardless
I can do one in a few words. "Don't contribute to the delusions of insane people."
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:19 am to kywildcatfanone
The "pronoun" crowd is illiterate was one of the two points he makes.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:20 am to tigerskin
I think I've pointed this out before. It's all about controlling how I talk to other people, which is weird.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:20 am to kywildcatfanone
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You couldn't just paste the sensible comment?
1- Explains the difference between second person and third person pronouns and how in nearly all cases people use second person pronouns (you, your, yours) when talking to a person in their presence. So, telling someone what your pronouns are is not really about how they refer to you personally, because no one ever says, "Can she hand me that pencil," when talking to a person directly. It's either "name" or second person pronouns
2- When people declare their pronouns they are not telling you how they'd like to be addressed so much as they're telling you how you must think about them and how you have to speak to everyone else in the world ABOUT them.
and obviously he's right...
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:20 am to tigerskin
You never use pronouns when talking TO someone, only when talking about them. (except for 'you' which is asexual)
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:23 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:20 am to tigerskin
Yeah, no shite. That was literally my first thought when it started becoming trendy for people to include "their pronouns" in their email signatures.
I thought "you're emailing me. Why the frick would I address you in the third-person in my emails back to you?"
I thought "you're emailing me. Why the frick would I address you in the third-person in my emails back to you?"
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can do one in a few words. "Don't contribute to the delusions of insane people."
Succinct and to the point.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:22 am to tigerskin
Born with penis - male
Born with vagina- female
Born with both - biological anomaly
Born with vagina- female
Born with both - biological anomaly
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:23 am to tigerskin
frick it.
And by “it” I mean collectively the morans who espouse this nonsense.
And by “it” I mean collectively the morans who espouse this nonsense.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:34 am to tigerskin
I work with a he that wants to be called a she.
The only time I have issues is when I'm talking to someone else in front of them
Like a coworker comes over and says to me... "What are y'all doing?" And I say... "I'm doing such and such and he, frick, I mean she is doing blah blah blah."
The only time I have issues is when I'm talking to someone else in front of them
Like a coworker comes over and says to me... "What are y'all doing?" And I say... "I'm doing such and such and he, frick, I mean she is doing blah blah blah."
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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1- Explains the difference between second person and third person pronouns and how in nearly all cases people use second person pronouns (you, your, yours) when talking to a person in their presence. So, telling someone what your pronouns are is not really about how they refer to you personally, because no one ever says, "Can she hand me that pencil," when talking to a person directly. It's either "name" or second person pronouns
2- When people declare their pronouns they are not telling you how they'd like to be addressed so much as they're telling you how you must think about them and how you have to speak to everyone else in the world ABOUT them.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can do one in a few words. "Don't contribute to the delusions of insane people."
It's not just about them, it's about us too. You teach your children not to lie. If you ask me to lie by referring to you as a gender that you are not, I'm not going to do it.
If you want to change your name to Pat perhaps that's a different story. Silly, but different.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:50 am to tigerskin
The whole point of pronouns is to make communicating easier, by allowing a standardized shorthand way to say things. If for whatever reason we can't have standardized pronouns--if we're supposed to remember every single person's preferred pronouns--then pronouns as a linguistic construct have ceased to perform their essential function. That anyone with a dollop of sense doesn't see this amazes me.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I can do one in a few words. "Don't contribute to the delusions of insane people."
I had an employee once tell me he was going to be transitioning and i've known that person since he was a wee tike. told him long as he showed up to work and didn't act differently than who he's always been i didn't care, of course. but, i did have a heart to heart with him about it because of the prior history and said i hoped he wouldn't take anything personally when i struggled to use pronouns (if i did at all) because in my heart of hearts i feel i would be enabling his delusions. and to me that is not right. i said i felt it would be disingenuous and actually not healthy for him for me to use new pronouns. i didn't want to be FORCED into placating it. so if he could bear with me and how i handled it, then i'd be fine with him doing whatever he wants.
not to my surprise, he totally understood. it was kind of an honesty and kindness on both sides to be honest and forthright.
the plague of mental programming affecting our youth is outrageous. you -cannot- tell me this percentage of the youth always wanted to be another sex at birth. this is new. this is programming. and it is really scary how effective this brain fkery going on really is.
i struggle with being disrespectful to someone whom i don't know that would demand it of me, but in the end it feels wrong to encourage delusion. they have problems that need to be addressed and solved for. it's different than the whole gay thing. we just have to accept their choices, which is easy mode and i'm totally fine with that. no problem. forcing us to acquiesce is a brilliant social engineering move by the bad guys. i refuse to play a part.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:03 am to NOLATiger163
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The whole point of pronouns is to make communicating easier, by allowing a standardized shorthand way to say things. If for whatever reason we can't have standardized pronouns--if we're supposed to remember every single person's preferred pronouns--then pronouns as a linguistic construct have ceased to perform their essential function. That anyone with a dollop of sense doesn't see this amazes me.
Precisely.
And the wrong gender pronouns are one thing, but when you get to all that stupid fricking other pronouns shite like Xe and whatever you have officially embraced insanity and idiocy. FFS.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:40 am to tigerskin
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pronoun talk
Is stupid and caters to the lowest common denominator
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:42 am to m2pro
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i struggle with being disrespectful to someone whom i don't know that would demand it of me, but in the end it feels wrong to encourage delusion.
I worked with a guy who was transitioning (fat guy, has fat lesbian wife who decided she wanted to be married to a woman) and HR sent this three page email explaining why its not special treatment, while giving three pages of special instructions enforceable by firing.
I told him I would call him by any name he chooses, but I ain't doing pronouns. He was relieved, HR blew the thing out of proportion, not he.
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