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re: How to manage fussy Baby?

Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:21 am to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:21 am to
Sure. You can talk to my Dad who had to experience telling parents that they suffocated their babies multiple times during his career.

It just doesn't seem like something that is even remotely worth the risk.
Posted by TigerAlum12
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:22 am to
Put breastmilk in a bottle and let it separate in the fridge. If theres no fat at the top your baby might be hungry. That may mean you have to supplement with formula.
Posted by dragginass
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:24 am to
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You can talk to my Dad


No thanks. I gave you my evidence, as confirmed by multiple pediatricians.
Posted by lsunurse
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:39 am to
And I’m giving you my evidence.


In physically seeing the parents of a baby that was brought into the ER not breathing because the baby was sleeping in the bed with the parents. Baby admitted to ICU and died shortly after.

Parents were not fat. Parents not “druggies” or drunks. Parents just misinformed of the dangers of letting a newborn sleep in the same bed as them.

I don’t know what kind of quack pediatricians you are seeing, but any respected pediatrician will tell you that a newborn sleeping in bed with you is not safe.

Some people are deep sleepers without the use of drugs or alcohol. Some people move a lot in their sleep. Also....the pillows in your bed can pose a danger if baby rolls onto the pillow and smothers themself.
Posted by MonroeTigerstripes
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:40 am to
Does the baby LIKE to be swaddled? Our 9 day old hates it. wife bought a swaddle called “love to dream swaddle” off amazon that fits snug but allows baby’s arms to rest by his face.

Get the baby out of your room. Can your wife pump bottles for you to feed that way y’all can take shifts and each get some sleep? We are doing this now and although neither of us are getting a full nights rest, a few consecutive hours of sleep has worked wonders for us. I wish we had done this for my daughter.

Read up on babywise and try to get the baby on a schedule ASAP. It will be very helpful in the future and it allows baby to get enough feeds during the day so she won’t eventually need to wake at night to eat

Good luck. My daughter was a screamer. First 8 weeks were brutal. I know it seems like hell right now but it won’t last forever
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 8:41 am
Posted by Tempratt
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:44 am to




These.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:48 am to
So can you refute this with data or not?

LINK
Posted by CFDoc
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:53 am to
quote:

So can you refute this with data or not?


Yes. I personally know a couple that recently suffocated their baby.

Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 8:56 am to
I personally know a lot of things, but that's not data.
Posted by Summer of George
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:01 am to
Get one of those co sleepers and attach to your bed. It’s safer than in the bed. Babies want to be held and feel safe.

Our 3 all sleep with us. The 5 and 3 year old sleep on their own now and I’ll miss it when the 2 year old wants to start sleeping with his brother. Goes by fast. Enjoy it.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69655 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:04 am to
Don’t pierce her ears

You’ll be labeled as trashy despite it being a cultural practice in many ethnicities
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:04 am to
I agree with a lot of the comments so far. The crying when laying down part sounds like reflux. Get that checked asap. The crying all the time part sounds like hunger; I'm going to guess your wife is breastfeeding. Breastmilk will not hold the baby over very long before it is time to nurse again. Supplement that with formula, and if the baby cries try nursing first, either breastmilk or formula. Once full and happy, the baby should be exhausted. Let him/her sleep on you in a recliner sitting mostly up to prevent reflux from kicking in.

the most sleep you will get right now are catnaps when the baby is sleeping for 1-3 hours at a time. All babies are different, and there are some who sleep for 4 hours at this age; those are the unicorns. For my two, sometimes it was only 45 minutes before they were hungry again. Supplementing with formula REALLY helped. We were first time parents and just didnt' realize how hungry the baby was all the time. We were in a similar situation, minus the reflux.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:08 am to
Yes. Did you not read my post?

We had a baby die in our ICU back when I was on the Peds floor from being suffocated in bed by the parents while they slept. Baby was only a couple weeks old.

Baby was otherwise a full term healthy baby. Parents not fat, drunks, on drugs or smokers. Just poor and uneducated. Likely figured they could save some money and just let the baby sleep with them.

Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:14 am to
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So far, only two studies have looked at this question. And doctors and families need to be careful with how they interpret these studies, says Robert Platt, a biostatistician at McGill University, who analyzed the studies for the AAP.

"The evidence is quite thin or weak," he says. In both studies, the number of SIDS cases is small. One study included 400 total SIDS cases and only 24 cases in which that baby had shared the bed in the absence of parental hazards. In the other study, there were just 12 of these cases out 1,472 SIDS deaths. In the latter study, some information about the parent's drinking habits was missing and had to be estimated.

Nevertheless, the two studies came to similar conclusions. For babies older than 3 months of age, there was no detectable increased risk of SIDS among families that practiced bed-sharing, in the absence of other hazards.


Your own article admits that your data is weak and incomplete

and for the OP with a 3 week old?


quote:

And for babies younger than 3 months?

"I would probably say there may be an increased for this group," Platt says.


It's pretty simple. It's just not worth the risk IMO
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 9:15 am
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:15 am to
That's not data either. Like I said, I understand why In general people are advised not to. But if you dig deeper with most pediatricians they will acquiesce that the data shows exactly what I showed you. In some cases, they are forthright with that information if they know you.

Do you have kids?
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:17 am to
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OP with a 3 week old?


I'm not telling the OP to do or not do anything. What I'm saying is that most of you are replying to him with the same regurgitated information which is not accurate.



Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69655 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:19 am to
Obviously kids are at risk when they’re this young

However I’m sure kids slept with their parents for thousands of years
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:20 am to
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I'm not telling the OP to do or not do anything.


You literally told him to not listen to the advice to not sleep with his 3 week old.

quote:

What I'm saying is that most of you are replying to him with the same regurgitated information which is not accurate.


Your own articles states that you should be careful drawing such conclusions from your "data"

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:21 am to
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However I’m sure kids slept with their parents for thousands of years


They did.

But not on super plush mattresses and fluffy comforters that allow the kid to sink underneath the parent.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 10/7/19 at 9:22 am to
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Do you have kids?


No, but I was a Peds nurse for 16 years and worked in the NICU many times as well. Not having a child isn’t by choice but by circumstances. So to me....that especially makes me view every baby as a precious miracle in itself. And worthy of doing everything you can to keep that precious baby safe.

You don’t need to be a parent to be upset at seeing a dead baby laying in an ICU bed and seeing the parents sobbing. And knowing that if the baby had slept in a crib or bassinet or even one of those devices you place on the side of the bed so baby can safely sleep...the scene before you would not be happening.

How many babies dying from that is enough for you to say this isn’t safe? 10, 20,100?

For me just seeing one is enough.
This post was edited on 10/7/19 at 9:24 am
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