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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:49 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:49 am to LNCHBOX
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There is literally nothing that can be done about this.
Nothing can be done! Said by someone who lives in the only country where it happens on a regular basis.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:51 am to chris911guy
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We have the highest suicide and substance abuse rates of any developed country
That is objectively false.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:52 am to Pettifogger
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I'm not prepared to make the decision that - all other things accounted for (our ability to responsibly fulfill parental duties) - non-existence is better than existence because of my subjective judgments of the world around us.
that's fair and to your credit, you are not typically as doom and gloom as some on here
I just have had some many people my age and younger tell me how we are destined for civil war or complete collapse within 20 or so years and then a month later celebrating a pregnancy and I just struggle with that dichotomy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:52 am to BilJ
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I don't think a fully armed society prevents any of these recent mass shootings from taking place.
Hell, in this one and in Buffalo there was armed security on the premises that engaged and couldn't stop it.
Difference in one random armed person and everyone there having the ability to be armed and respond immediately.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:00 pm to Antonio Moss
Apologies, I meant to say among the highest. Thanks for pointing it out, I've edited the post to reflect it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:00 pm to LNCHBOX
so you think fully armed children yesterday and senior citizens in Buffalo is a logical solution?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:06 pm to Salmon
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A lot of our bad statistics are very comparable to the 80s and 90s
I mean yes but our generation has gone through two recessions, a pandemic, a continuation of mass shootings that really escalated with Columbine in ‘99 and deteriorating race relations. Are things partly exaggerated by the media? Of course? Are we over exposed to all the bad shite happening? Yes.
But things aren’t getting better. Cost of living continues to rise. Housing market is shite. I’m not a doomsayer. Things can regress back to the mean but we are evolving as people but our country makes two step forwards and one step back almost every year. There are outliers for sure but most people I know don’t like the way things are now. People are pissed. Hell, I can tell a difference just on this board. Things are totally different on here than in 2011 and it kind of reflects how we speak and discuss things in public too
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:10 pm to Salmon
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that's fair and to your credit, you are not typically as doom and gloom as some on here
I just have had some many people my age and younger tell me how we are destined for civil war or complete collapse within 20 or so years and then a month later celebrating a pregnancy and I just struggle with that dichotomy
Eh, some people get off on the idea. But those people are probably still going to the game this weekend.
I think we're in societal and cultural decline. But that doesn't mean life isn't worth living or that there won't be massive joys (I hope) for my children as they weather those things. Obviously the optimists who think we're better off than the dire circumstances of the past got here in spite of said circumstances, right?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:11 pm to BilJ
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so you think fully armed children yesterday and senior citizens in Buffalo is a logical solution?
I guess it's just a giant coincidence these event almost exclusively take place in fish in a barrel scenarios.
Why do you ask the question so stupidly? Armed teachers could have made a difference. Armed workers/patrons could have made a difference in Buffalo. I'm not pretending this would eliminate these tragedies, but at some point you have to acknowledge the patterns.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:14 pm to Salmon
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I just have had some many people my age and younger tell me how we are destined for civil war or complete collapse within 20 or so years and then a month later celebrating a pregnancy and I just struggle with that dichotomy
I totally get that. My friends do the same thing. My wife and I have a 4 month old and it’s something we had to reconcile as well. Things aren’t nearly that doom and gloom. We won’t have a complete collapse. I truly don’t think we’ll have a civil war that includes that actual war aspect.
But I do think the breaking apart of the country into separate entities is something that could be in the cards 40-60 years in the future. I just hope at that point we’re pretty much dead and the ones that are left are in agreement that this is probably the best for everyone and there will be as little damage as possible
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:27 pm to LNCHBOX
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Armed teachers could have made a difference.
doubt it.
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Armed workers/patrons could have made a difference in Buffalo
dude there were like 6-7 dead within seconds before anyone knew what the frick was going on. So maybe it could have helped but unlikely any of those victims were prepared to take on a guy with that modified gun and body armor when someone with way more training couldn't. Same goes for arming those teachers.
The logic of MOAR GUNS is just as silly as the people you mock wanting to take the guns.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:33 pm to BilJ
I'll break with my pro gun people here and say that the "more guns" argument is probably stupid. A lot of the people in this country are irresponsible, and a lot of them share my political views.
I'm not against more guns, but I'm not going to hold up the concept as a solution.
Moreover, I do think it's worth some self-assessment for Christians as to whether it's worthwhile to engage in/promote gun culture and that which comes with it. I'm in no way claiming it is sinful to own or use guns or to enjoy them. I do all of those things. Nor am I saying gun culture is to blame, or should be repudiated.
But like all things permissible, we still need to ask if they're good. If being a gun nut is accompanied by responsibility, instruction, teaching your children about tools and how they can defend and help people with them and enjoy hobbies with them - I think that's a fine conclusion. But some of us obsess about being in a vigilantism situation and stockpiling for the end times and how were going to wax the other side in a coming civil war, and I think that can move into territory that is simply not supposed to be our priority and doesn't bear fruit.
I'm not against more guns, but I'm not going to hold up the concept as a solution.
Moreover, I do think it's worth some self-assessment for Christians as to whether it's worthwhile to engage in/promote gun culture and that which comes with it. I'm in no way claiming it is sinful to own or use guns or to enjoy them. I do all of those things. Nor am I saying gun culture is to blame, or should be repudiated.
But like all things permissible, we still need to ask if they're good. If being a gun nut is accompanied by responsibility, instruction, teaching your children about tools and how they can defend and help people with them and enjoy hobbies with them - I think that's a fine conclusion. But some of us obsess about being in a vigilantism situation and stockpiling for the end times and how were going to wax the other side in a coming civil war, and I think that can move into territory that is simply not supposed to be our priority and doesn't bear fruit.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:41 pm to Pettifogger
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But some of us obsess about being in a vigilantism situation and stockpiling for the end times and how were going to wax the other side in a coming civil war, and I think that can move into territory that is simply not supposed to be our priority and doesn't bear fruit.
That’s exactly an ideal that’s been expressed multiple times by multiple posters since yesterday. And I’m sure we’ve all had friends talk that same way and say similar things.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:45 pm to Pettifogger
I'm not anti gun at all but frick the logic behind "hey if everyone was fully armed....and had proper training on how to properly operate the gun....oh and tactical training for active shooter situations, yes these would be totally preventable" That doesn't sound logical or plausible and comes off as pure gun lobbyist rhetoric
90% of this board has no fricking clue how they'd react in yesterday's situation but I doubt it would be calmly whipping out your pistol and putting him down. So unlikely an elementary school teacher would be prepared to do it either
90% of this board has no fricking clue how they'd react in yesterday's situation but I doubt it would be calmly whipping out your pistol and putting him down. So unlikely an elementary school teacher would be prepared to do it either
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:46 pm to Tiger1242
Strict gun control laws seem to be working for most every other country in the world :shrug:.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:48 pm to BilJ
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90% of this board has no fricking clue how they'd react in yesterday's situation but I doubt it would be calmly whipping out your pistol and putting him down. So unlikely an elementary school teacher would be prepared to do it either
valid point.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:49 pm to Twal88
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Strict gun control laws seem to be working for most every other country in the world :shrug:.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:52 pm to Twal88
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Strict gun control laws seem to be working for most every other country in the world :shrug:.
And in this country mass shootings were exceedingly rare, with mass school shootings even rarer, on par with strict gun control countries without the need for the strict gun control laws, with much, much easier access to firearms since this nation was founded.
Then something changed. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the availability of guns, because they've always been available. In fact since 1934, they've been harder and harder to obtain.
It's why the "strict gun control laws work in other countries" argument is complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:53 pm to Tiger1242
Solicit sage advice from Hollywood and NBA coaches..
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:00 pm to Twal88
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Strict gun control laws seem to be working for most every other country in the world
The Australian government thanks you for your service. It made Covid lockdowns a piece of cake
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 1:02 pm
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