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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:19 am to Salmon
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:19 am to Salmon
I am ashamed I instigated this. We have a handful of quality posters having good discussion and now a few quality posters are arguing off topic because I introduced an aside. My apologies.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:20 am
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:20 am to Salmon
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and why does any optimism about the future get shouted down? or met with severe criticism?
I won't shout you down, I just don't agree
Sure, kids aren't dying from polio. That's good, we solved an external threat. My issue lies in the fact that the damage we're inflicting is voluntary and celebrated.
Perhaps you can say the same regarding wars of the past. But in this age of information, I don't think it's forgivable that we know what we're doing to kids and how it's impacting them and we're doing absolutely nothing as a culture/society to curb it, because we're addicted and obsessed with the same stuff.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:21 am to Sun God
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Scruffy needs to go back to not following politics.
=/=
Scruffy need to go back to not talking about politics
my main "concern" is the constant doomcasting and the seemingly want for bad things to happen
its super weird to me
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:21 am to Tiger1242
I'll leave gun control out of the discussion, because not too long ago, there were guns in every pickup truck at a rural high school and we didn't have mass shootings.
The clear answer is mental health. We leave it to the primary care doctors to "treat" mental health, and it's usually done by throwing drugs at it and moving on. Meanwhile, insurance companies dictate what type of true mental Healthcare a person receives, if any at all. There is definitely a lack of proper mental Healthcare treatment available en masse, because we choose pharmaceuticals over true treatment as a society.
Another problem is social media. While social media is busy trying to censor dissenting opinions, they let threats, bullying, amd mental illness run rampant, maybe they need to reexamine their priorities. They are in a great position to alert authorities about people with mental issues, of course then we go back to the lack of treatment.
The clear answer is mental health. We leave it to the primary care doctors to "treat" mental health, and it's usually done by throwing drugs at it and moving on. Meanwhile, insurance companies dictate what type of true mental Healthcare a person receives, if any at all. There is definitely a lack of proper mental Healthcare treatment available en masse, because we choose pharmaceuticals over true treatment as a society.
Another problem is social media. While social media is busy trying to censor dissenting opinions, they let threats, bullying, amd mental illness run rampant, maybe they need to reexamine their priorities. They are in a great position to alert authorities about people with mental issues, of course then we go back to the lack of treatment.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:23 am to Pettifogger
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I won't shout you down, I just don't agree
honest question
then why would you ever have a kid?
because to me, if I were to truly believe that the world was just going to continue to get shittier to the degree that many here believe, it would take a sociopath to bring a child into that future
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:24 am to Salmon
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my main "concern" is the constant doomcasting and the seemingly want for bad things to happen
Part of it is older generations ALWAYS think younger generations are totally fricked up when that’s usually not totally true
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:25 am to WDE24
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I am ashamed I instigated this. We have a handful of quality posters having good discussion and now a few quality posters are arguing off topic because I introduced an aside. My apologies
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:28 am to chris911guy
quote:What does America do differently with mental health compared to other countries that causes our increased random mass shootings compared to those countries?
The clear answer is mental health.
I do agree we don't treat mental health properly, but do ALL other countries do it correctly?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:29 am to Salmon
quote:I’m with you on this. If we constantly listen to media, political or otherwise, we will always have a pessimistic view. Keeping the population discontent creates people that want to talk about it, want to click on articles about it, want to contribute to political campaigns, and want to vote. The media, the advertisers, the politicians, the political activists, etc. are all significantly incentivized with money and power to keep you discontent.
This is the type of post I'm talking about. What does this mean? and why does any optimism about the future get shouted down? or met with severe criticism? I have kids, therefore, I feel the need to have optimism about the future. I don't understand this constant state of doom.
However, in my every day life, my life continues to improve and I see my kids growing up happy and healthy and I’m excited for their future.
Either the media is creating a false sense of reality or I’m a pollyanna.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to Tiger1242
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How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
If you want to have an honest conversation, the answer would be for everyone to read the Unabomber Manifesto. It perfectly lays out the psychological and sociological consequences of a society completely dependent upon mass technology. However, in most circles, even suggesting this will likely have people call you a kook.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to Tiger1242
Just something to keep in mind folks, many of the same people who are saying they don't want your guns are the same ones who said gays and trannys just want to get married or be respected and it's not like they would try to groom your children.
They were lying then and they're lying now, they do want to take your right to own firearms away and if you give them an inch they'll definitely try to take a mile. Don't fall for it folks
They were lying then and they're lying now, they do want to take your right to own firearms away and if you give them an inch they'll definitely try to take a mile. Don't fall for it folks
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to Salmon
It’s a slow grind, but don’t act like things aren’t getting worse and worse. The social fabric of our nation is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. Part of it is that people are more justifiably suspicious of authority than ever. our culture is overly materialistic, and the well being of the least intelligent, least healthy, depends on that materialism. And they are legion. The masses. It’s not sustainable.
People are acting wild out there in ways period generations couldn’t imagine. This is apparent to all.
I have kids too, and they will be okay. But they might not. Way less sure about that than my parents were for me.
People are acting wild out there in ways period generations couldn’t imagine. This is apparent to all.
I have kids too, and they will be okay. But they might not. Way less sure about that than my parents were for me.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:38 am to baybeefeetz
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It’s a slow grind, but don’t act like things aren’t getting worse and worse.
I don't know that. A lot of our bad statistics are very comparable to the 80s and 90s and most people here consider those to be the "good old days".
Were they the good old days? Are were we just less aware of all the bad things? Our minds cannot cope with reading about every bad thing happening all over the world all the time.
That is obviously fricking with people's perspective. And its probably causing some serious mental issues. And its probably going to lead to some horrific scenarios.
But I have to believe that we will realize this at some point and correct. I have to.
Call me naïve. Call me gullible. Whatever. I just think its so predictably lazy to always predict the worst.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:42 am to armsdealer
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An armed society is a polite society.
Eliminate all the gun laws and the good guys, cops and other criminals will all be on an even playing field.
119 up votes to this?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:44 am to BilJ
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119 up votes to this?
Which part do you disagree with?
There is no denying the trend for locations/targets of mass violence to be gun free zones or areas where there will be little in the way of resistance.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:44 am to shel311
I think it boils down to accessibility, affordability, and pharmaceuticals. We are among the highest suicide and substance abuse rates of any developed country, and that should not be the case. For many people accessibility to an actual mental health professional is limited or cost prohibitive.
If you take a deep dive, there is also correlation with overall Healthcare. We have an unhealthy diet, unhealthy habits, and overall don't lead a healthy lifestyle. Couple that with our dependence on medications to "fix" everything, and there is a systemic problem.
If you take a deep dive, there is also correlation with overall Healthcare. We have an unhealthy diet, unhealthy habits, and overall don't lead a healthy lifestyle. Couple that with our dependence on medications to "fix" everything, and there is a systemic problem.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:44 am to Salmon
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if I were to truly believe that the world was just going to continue to get shittier to the degree that many here believe, it would take a sociopath to bring a child into that future
The world will continue to get shittier but this isn’t two thousand years ago. America isn’t going to burn like Rome. But the fact remains the divide between the American people, not just the rich/middle/poor, but all people continues to grow. Fiscally, socially, not much has changed in the last twenty years and things will likely continue to deteriorate. People are evolving and continue to evolve while our policies stay the same. Other countries adapt but we really haven’t. We are rigid and prideful, which to some is a good thing. Others see it as hindering progress.
Two or three separate nations that divide the USA will likely not happen in our lifetimes but in our kids and grandkids lifetimes it certainly becomes a possibility if things continue to trend the way they are. Hopefully it happens peacefully
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:45 am to Salmon
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honest question
then why would you ever have a kid?
because to me, if I were to truly believe that the world was just going to continue to get shittier to the degree that many here believe, it would take a sociopath to bring a child into that future
Because I can control and correct for a lot of it, for one. And beyond that, I think having children is the quintessential human purpose and experience and it's only really a modern, enlightened man concept to refrain from doing so. I don't think there is a considerable movement to that end elsewhere, even in areas of dire poverty/strife.
I'm not prepared to make the decision that - all other things accounted for (our ability to responsibly fulfill parental duties) - non-existence is better than existence because of my subjective judgments of the world around us.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:48 am to LNCHBOX
I don't think a fully armed society prevents any of these recent mass shootings from taking place.
Hell, in this one and in Buffalo there was armed security on the premises that engaged and couldn't stop it.
Hell, in this one and in Buffalo there was armed security on the premises that engaged and couldn't stop it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:48 am to Sun God
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Part of it is older generations ALWAYS think younger generations are totally fricked up when that’s usually not totally true
This as well. Part of the problem isn’t millennials (who are now in their late 20’s, 30’s and maybe even 40’s) and it’s not even Gen Z, the teenagers of today. Most of those age groups are pretty open minded and educate themselves accordingly. Sure there are outliers but for the most part.
The problem is the close mindedness and refusal to budge on any fiscal or social issue by our parents and their parents, which can filter down to the outliers in our (Millenial) age group and Gen Z
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