re: Greater Evil, Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia

Are you thinking of mud season, dirt roads, and how that would impair mobility?

A horse and cart will struggle with muddy roads.

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Stalingrad was the real prize.

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Stalingrad was never an objective of Case Blue. The entire planned hinged on capturing the Caucuses oil fields because their supplies in Romania were dwindling. The 4th and 6th Panzer armies were to reach the Volga River (but not cross), thus cutting off the Caucuses region from the rest of the Soviet Union. With that done, the 1st and 17th armies would then drive into the Caucuses, destroy the Soviets cut off by the 4th and 6th armies, and take the oil. This would shorten the Eastern Front considerably and give Germany the oil necessary to launch a major offensive on Moscow in 1943.

Stalingrad only became an objective of Case Blue due to Hitler's constant meddling. He went on an ego trip and thought it would be a propaganda coup if he captured the city named after his rival.

Army group A was heading south. Army Group B was a motley collection of poor quality Axis allied armies and high quality but severely depleted German armies. All were trying hold a long extended flank on difficult to defend terrain and capture Stalingrad.

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Well that's basically what happened during the Soviet counter offensive in December, Army Group Center was basically in a rout until the Red Army over stretched.

But you are correct winter quarters were impossible after the disasterous decision to press Typhoon forward at the Orsha conference on 11/13.

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It’s kind of crazy how we’ve built up this myth of German superiority but they had no hope of winning a war with Russia and it was almost Gotterdammerung very early. Maybe, if instead of striking south in 1942 and getting over extended again they had tried to fortify their lines they could have eventually held onto territory roughly equivalent to the old Brest Litovsk Treaty, but I doubt it. And of course, then after another miracle in the east, Hitler threw it away at Kursk.

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I probably should have begged the question in regards to communism as a whole without limiting the conversation to Soviet Union. The answer is too easy to answer that way however. Communism is the greatest evil known to the world in modern history.

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So you really didn't have a question, you just wanted to make a point.

We killed 20 million native americans. Can we get in on this contest?

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We killed 20 million native americans. Can we get in on this contest?

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No, just no.

Well, we have holocaust memorials in every major US city yet not for other major genocides. Why?

Every time I hear the "it wasn't real communism", I think of the words of Jordan Peterson.

"Well the guys doing it (Mao, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin). . .I mean THEY said they were doing communism. They all believed in communism. They all had unchallengable absolute power to establish communism.

Maybe it isn't that communism has never been tried. Maybe this is just how communism looks in a practical world"

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Maybe this is just how communism looks in a practical world"

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Precisely. Socialism and communism have a pathetic track record of losing, and it's not because it "hasn't been done correctly yet."

That's precisely what it is. People are equally poor and miserable, yet more equal. There's the vanguard who live in luxury, while the population struggles with the problem of central planning

In the end, it requires strict control over populations. There's no freedom, only misery.

To "Do it right" it just needs to be followed to the logical end of total destruction.

Idiots read Marx, think they are on to something revolutionary yet we have so many examples that show it does not work.