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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
WW1 was all profit. It made a select few Americans very very very wealthy.


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scott8811
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
They couldn't have thought of something more original than a tiny version of the gift they already gave us?


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
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The Iranian govt(the general population is great for the most part) is evil.



From a moral perspective, that is obvious, but their geopolitical machinations and goals aren't all that dissimilar from Turkey, Israel or the US. Turkey's immediate goal is to clear its border region of the PKK and Kurds in general. Israel wants weaker neighbors to lessen the chance of a direct invasion. The US under Rumsfeld saw that technology made the entire world a battlefield, and that it would be better to fight elsewhere before the fight came to America's borders.

The same principles are at play with the Iranians, who too want to clear their borders of possible enemies, who also want weaker neighbors who won't pose a direct to them, and also see the world as a battlefield in which the cost-benefit analysis says that they should fight elsewhere before they fight in their homeland. That operational strategy was formed extremely early on, as the Iranian constitution had stipulations about helping oppressed people fight against imperialism.

Israel's invasion of Lebanon provided them the opportunity to help, and in the 40 odd years since, they've become quite good at asymmetrical warfare, but also they've taken advantage of some incredibly poor diplomacy from other major players in the region. They are able to target and cultivate networks with oppressed minorities, specifically Shia, but also with some Christian groups, like the Babylon Brigade, and some Sunni, like Hamas and PIJ and then are able to use rhetoric present in the Gulf, Iraq, Israel, etc as a means to suggest to these groups they have no better option than to ally with the Iranians. Soleimani was an expert at this sort of diplomacy, and who can argue with the results.

Undoing that and those notions requires diplomatic work, which no one is willing to do. If proxy networks are central to the Iranian security strategy, what are the options left on the table?
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Because that never works.


For whom? I’m not talking about long term stabilization and nation building. I’m talking resource extraction.


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
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Soleimani was an expert at this sort of diplomacy, and who can argue with the results.


You had me until that, American troops shouldn’t have been there but they were and he had a hand in some of those deaths. I didn’t care one bit when he was taken out and still don’t today.


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For whom? I’m not talking about long term stabilization and nation building. I’m talking resource extraction.


The British stole trillions from India, and what were they left with? They ended up overextended, with a massively declining population, and secondary power status relative to where they were. Negotiating favorable conditions for US companies is far easier than your suggestion, and the US does this regularly, and has for a long time. You people really need to read more about colonialism, as the people who benefitted were decidedly not regular people. Britain is so weak now that they can't even made demands to India for a trade deal.


crazy4lsu
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Yeah it wasn't meant as praise for him specifically but more an acknowledgement that the Iranian netwotking strategy largely worked, despite no one thinking it would. Sorry if I worded it poorly.


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Unless your arse was out there like I was and saw and heard the bull shite being fed to us about why we were there you can kindly shut the frick up. Thanks.


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gizmothepug
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
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You people really need to read more about colonialism, as the people who benefitted were decidedly not regular people. Britain is so weak now that they can't even made demands to India for a trade deal.


As someone that’s almost finished with season 4 of The Crown I can say that smug bitch of a queen is taking a dose of her own medicine.


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Except this Statue of Liberty is inscribed with the phrase “send us your North African and middle eastern refugees”


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Yes Iraq was a very noble war.


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Zarkinletch416
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
On June 6, 1944 our boys stormed the shores of Normandy to save their miserable asses from the Nazis. I had an uncle who served during WWI as an interpreter. He was cajun and spoke french, obviously. But he hated the french. I always thought that was petty on his part. After all they were our ally. Now I know he was right. The French are jerks.



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danilo
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Freedom Fries!!!

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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Some of you baws are so naive. Obviously, the decision to take us to war by Pres. Bush, VP Cheney, Sec. Rumsfeld etc wasn’t taken lightly. After 9/11 and the vacuum created after the Cold War if we didn’t act our international standing would have been damaged forever. It was in our national interest to reassert ourselves. This applies to everything from our access to natural resources around the world to American companies being able to operate and sell goods and services to consumers worldwide. It’s not a linear equation. This is complex math. We are lucky to have the most professional and best trained military in the history of human civilization to help us achieve these goals. Those men and women are heroes.


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
That African statue thingy is growing on me. It has a certain quiet dignity about it.


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USMEagles
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
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Some of you baws are so naive. Obviously, the decision to take us to war by Pres. Bush, VP Cheney, Sec. Rumsfeld etc wasn’t taken lightly. After 9/11 and the vacuum created after the Cold War if we didn’t act our international standing would have been damaged forever. It was in our national interest to reassert ourselves. This applies to everything from our access to natural resources around the world to American companies being able to operate and sell goods and services to consumers worldwide. It’s not a linear equation. This is complex math. We are lucky to have the most professional and best trained military in the history of human civilization to help us achieve these goals. Those men and women are heroes.


Translation: Blah, blah, blah... let us waste all your money blowing up crap in the desert with our toys. You realize "Dubya" inherited a budget surplus, right? That guy is a clown. Rumsfeld is a clown. Colin Powell is a tap-dancing minstrel with plastic shoes. A sane country would tar-and-feather all of them, and ship them back to their Saudi buttbuddies on one-way tickets.


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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
Birmingham has a bigger Statue of Liberty than that.


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Oilfieldbiology
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
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Negotiating favorable conditions for US companies is far easier than your suggestion, and the US does this regularly, and has for a long time.


This is what I’m talking about, not 1500-1800 colonialism. I’m talking economic/resource exploitation in the name of America first.

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Britain is so weak now that they can't even made demands to India for a trade deal.


They got this way because of WWI and WWII. Prior to those two meat grinders they had the population/military might to make these deals. Then America came along after WWII and ruled the seas.


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Oilfieldbiology
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toys. You realize "Dubya" inherited a budget surplus, right?


Built on the backs of Dot.com bubble and the early machinations of the subprime mortgage loans. The bubble wasn’t his monetary policy, but the Iraq war 1,000% was his.


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Mike da Tigah
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re: France sorry for the bad things they said during the Iraq war so they’re sending a gift
I just wonder if when we are really being honest with ourselves if we can truly say we are moving more towards liberty than we are away from it, more specifically in regard to personal liberty. Statues are great, but do we really believe in it, and I mean with all it’s good and bad, do we really believe in allowing people the personal liberty to believe as they choose to believe, and do as they will as long as they aren’t hurting anyone else?


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