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re: For parents with teenage sons taking supplements for athletics.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:51 pm to Gaston
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:51 pm to Gaston
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Practicing great form is the key to pretty much every sport.
It's amazing what wrestling does for athletes..
One of the D1 commits in football also wrestled a couple of years ago. I asked what was worse while conditioning, wrestling or football, he said wrestling by far. Longest six minutes of your life.
That kid also took second in the state tournament his senior year after wrestling just one match during the regular season.
He's just a natural athlete now starting with an SEC West rival.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 2:18 pm
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:54 pm to Saint5446
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The supplement itself is usually OK for high school aged kids, but the weight cutting and occasional dehydration to make weight does not mix well with that supplement and has lead to issues in the past.
Fortunately, he doesn't have to worry about cutting now. But in the future, who knows.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:54 pm to lsu777
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really not angry just gets annoying when we have this wealth of information out there with all kinds of scientific data that people just post random stuff
i appreciate the compliment
and i dont try to come off angry...it seems people say that if i call them out on being full of shite and post the proof.
i dunno why people get so defensive about that. this place teaches me something new daily.
I enjoyed our back and forth, but you did initially come across as very defensive. I realized at response two that it was just a presentation thing and that we could talk and even disagree without it being confrontational now that I understood your presentation.
And I appreciate the links, it is a rare thing it seems.
But remember there is disagreement on many of these issues still, even within the science and nutrition communities because it is difficult to get exact data from people regarding what they eat, how they feel and the biological mechanisms within the human body. Not like metering an engine or pulling it apart to observe deposits and wear
I really did enjoy our convo.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:56 pm to Hangover Haven
Creatine must be making the rounds on TikTok. My son and the sons of several of my friends have also been asking about it. I vote no for your 8th grader. Hard on kidneys. My son is 22 but i told him i wouldn’t for that reason.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:59 pm to Hangover Haven
Awww man it does.
I’m leaning standup grappling and takedown with a wrestler (he’s also significantly younger) to help my jiu jitsu. Their explosiveness positioning and pinning are awesome.
I’m leaning standup grappling and takedown with a wrestler (he’s also significantly younger) to help my jiu jitsu. Their explosiveness positioning and pinning are awesome.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:00 pm to Rick9Plus
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Hard on kidneys.
Stop peddling bullshite information.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:03 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Stop peddling bull shite information.
I haven’t conducted research studies myself or done a deep dive, but, this is an eighth grader going through puberty. If there is even a chance, why risk it at this age? When he is older if he has a chance at college level athletics maybe. My point was that young kids are asking about it in large numbers in my social circle. Sounds like a TikTok fad. A middle schooler needs a healthy diet, hydration, and exercise.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:16 pm to Saint5446
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I dont know if it has been discussed in this thread, but be careful about wrestling in particular with creatine. The supplement itself is usually OK for high school aged kids, but the weight cutting and occasional dehydration to make weight does not mix well with that supplement and has lead to issues in the past.
Don't mix creatine with weight cutting. Wrestlers sweat, A LOT.
FWIW I was a former HS wrestler who works in healthcare.
man ill be honest...i really liked Zach Evan-esh take on weight cutting....in high school you should not be cutting weight. get stronger and get better and wrestle at the higher weight class.
i dont know a ton on wrestling and the ins and outs other than how to strength train them and that its an amazing sport for teaching work ethic, athleticism, and toughness.....but i just couldnt imagine cutting weight like some do or allowing my kid too.
but you have a good point, dont mix the two.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:20 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
I asked earlier, you may have missed it... Is there a particular product you recommend that's the cleanest/purest form of creatine?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:21 pm to Rick9Plus
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Creatine must be making the rounds on TikTok. My son and the sons of several of my friends have also been asking about it. I vote no for your 8th grader. Hard on kidneys. My son is 22 but i told him i wouldn’t for that reason.
based on what? because we have 40 years of data including multiple meta analysis showing you are wrong and unless you have pre existing kidney disease it is perfectly health.
from examine.com leading source on this and has every thing cited in the studies
LINK
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In people with healthy kidneys, long-term creatine supplementation is safe, but there are no long-term creatine studies in people with kidney issues. For these people, using a low dose of creatine (if any) would be prudent.
full article on creatine and kidneys LINK
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[/url] sorry cant just let you make stuff up without calling you out
your 8th grader is right in this case and you are wrong.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:22 pm to lsu777
Agree.
I won state in HS in wrestling in the early 2000s and you wouldn't believe the weight everyone cut. Definitely not healthy for kids that age, especially when you factor in how hard we were training at that time. We would routinely have a 3 hour practice and you would leave school 5 lbs lighter than you were before practice due to water weight/loss of fluids because we were working so hard. Then we would go home and not drink anything the night before to weigh in
I know they hydration test now, but the kids just cut a few pounds under the certification weight and rehydrate to pass the test. It is what it is, people are always going to try to find an edge in wrestling.
I won state in HS in wrestling in the early 2000s and you wouldn't believe the weight everyone cut. Definitely not healthy for kids that age, especially when you factor in how hard we were training at that time. We would routinely have a 3 hour practice and you would leave school 5 lbs lighter than you were before practice due to water weight/loss of fluids because we were working so hard. Then we would go home and not drink anything the night before to weigh in
I know they hydration test now, but the kids just cut a few pounds under the certification weight and rehydrate to pass the test. It is what it is, people are always going to try to find an edge in wrestling.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:22 pm to Hangover Haven
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I asked earlier, you may have missed it... Is there a particular product you recommend that's the cleanest/purest form of creatine?
i linked it last page. shouldnt have to worry too much but non creapure may cause stomach distress.
i reccommend ordering creapure creatine monodyrate from true nutrition. i linked and cited why in the other post.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:26 pm to Rick9Plus
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For parents with teenage sons taking supplements for athletics.
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Stop peddling bull shite information.
I haven’t conducted research studies myself or done a deep dive, but, this is an eighth grader going through puberty. If there is even a chance, why risk it at this age?
because there is no risk. i linked all the studies earlier in the thread blowing this out of the water. there is zero risk
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A middle schooler needs a healthy diet, hydration, and exercise.
that we can agree on but also needs weight lifting and should be taking creatine. if for nothing more than the positive effects on the brain.
sorry but you are peddling bull shite and we have shown that over and over in this thread
there is no risk
every single person on the planet that does not have a pre exisitng kidney disease or doesnt have to cut drastic amounts of weight should be taking creatine. hell even your dog should be taking creatine. a 7 year old...yep...a 77 year old...yep.
sorry you are just peddling BS with no data proving anything you are saying and is straight based off hear say and BS stories like the lab tech story earlier.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:29 pm to lsu777
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i reccommend ordering creapure creatine monodyrate from true nutrition. i linked and cited why in the other post.
Thanks..
Sorry I missed it.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:38 pm to Saint5446
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I know they hydration test now, but the kids just cut a few pounds under the certification weight and rehydrate to pass the test. It is what it is, people are always going to try to find an edge in wrestling.
They do, and they take it pretty serious.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:42 pm to lsu777
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sorry you are just peddling BS
Idk man, it sounds like you are peddling creatine:
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every single person on the planet that does not have a pre exisitng kidney disease or doesnt have to cut drastic amounts of weight should be taking creatine. hell even your dog should be taking creatine. a 7 year old...yep...a 77 year old...yep.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:48 pm to Rick9Plus
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Idk man, it sounds like you are peddling creatine:
yea thats it...its my side job peddling a product that has a margin around 2%
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:51 pm to Hangover Haven
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My son is 14, 8th grade wrestler who's asking about taking creatine.
My son is 17 and is heavily committed to body building. He benches 295 but is asking to take creatine. Our answer has been a hard no. Brought him to his doctor and had her talk to him privately so he would feel more open about what supplements he wanted to take and had her address each with possible health risks and side effects. He’s still asking to take it and our answer is still no. However, he will be 18 next year and don’t know how we would stop him then.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:54 pm to lsu777
I appreciate the linked studies. I’ll take a look. My point in replying wasn’t to argue the merits or risks of creatine, rather to state my observation that multiple kids in my circle recently started asking about it at the same time. I wonder where it’s coming from and i suspect social media. These kids are young, and i personally wouldn’t give a protein supplement to a middle-schooler. Others can make their own informed choices.
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