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re: For parents with teenage sons taking supplements for athletics.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:03 pm to Hangover Haven
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:03 pm to Hangover Haven
Nobody under 18 should be taking anything other than nutritional food. Get it in your head now that he needs to learn to lose with dignity at some point. Nobody is the best and putting DRUGS into your system is stupid. You need to PARENT.
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:05 pm to Porpus
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My overall opinion is that lifting weights ought to be a deliberate decision talked through by parent and child. If an adolescent *does* decide to lift weights (perhaps having read that Barbell Medicine stuff and some other opinions), then I would suggest that he take creatine. Creatine is just an amino acid found in meat (or something). I take it regularly and find it has benefits even beyond weight training.
that is a sound opinion
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:07 pm to Goldrush25
The real answer is the kid will take it if his friends take it regardless of what the dad says and that creatine is harmless
We have this toxic notion that you have to eat a ton to gain muscle when all you’re doing is putting on fat. Protein powder should be illegal. Look up mike metzger
“Coach says I gotta gain 20 pounds” then the kid puts on 20 pounds of fat and keeps it his whole life, because the kid learned how to eat around the clock. Many such cases in Louisiana. 5’8 250 isn’t healthy
We need to give our kids a foundation for body dysmorphia early because nowadays it’s very hard to be slim without being a little anorexic. If it tastes good spit it out
We have this toxic notion that you have to eat a ton to gain muscle when all you’re doing is putting on fat. Protein powder should be illegal. Look up mike metzger
“Coach says I gotta gain 20 pounds” then the kid puts on 20 pounds of fat and keeps it his whole life, because the kid learned how to eat around the clock. Many such cases in Louisiana. 5’8 250 isn’t healthy
We need to give our kids a foundation for body dysmorphia early because nowadays it’s very hard to be slim without being a little anorexic. If it tastes good spit it out
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:08 pm to mdomingue
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How about his son's general health and any risk factors that may be unique to his son.
you mean a healthy kid? because if he doesnt have kidney issues it is safe as i pointed out and linked the studies
again what would a doctor know about creatine use? do you think they are taught that in school
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But no, go with what guys on the OT tell
did i say that? i told OP to do his research and linked the studies that are 40+ years of research on the subject that show everythign
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Not for everyone therefore not 100% safe. For most people it is safe. Also, is his son taking things like a preworkout that contains caffeine?
he said his son isnt taking supplements and it is 1005 safe unless you have kidney issues. I 100% addressed the concerns of dehydration also
its as safe as eating red meat which btw contain creatine
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Why would I try to do that when I am no expert on this, and neither are you?
because i am on this lol
he can talk to his doctor all he wants...my point wasnt not to talk to them, it was this isnt their area of expertise at all and 99% will literally no zero about it at all. most think eating too much protein causes kidney issues and that weightlifting stunts growth and other bullshite that has been disproven 100 times over. talk to a sports nutritionist if you want a real answer on this or look at the research and have an iq over 100 and come to the answer yourself.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:09 pm to Picayuner
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Nobody under 18 should be taking anything other than nutritional food.
creatine is found in food dumbass
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Nobody is the best and putting DRUGS into your system is stupid. You need to PARENT.
it isnt a drug
Tim Brando shut your old arse up about things you literally have zero clue about. Go play golf with all the other old fricks.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:09 pm to el Gaucho
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The real answer is the kid will take it if his friends take it regardless of what the dad says and that creatine is harmless
We have this toxic notion that you have to eat a ton to gain muscle when all you’re doing is putting on fat. Protein powder should be illegal. Look up mike metzger
“Coach says I gotta gain 20 pounds” then the kid puts on 20 pounds of fat and keeps it his whole life, because the kid learned how to eat around the clock. Many such cases in Louisiana. 5’8 250 isn’t healthy
We need to give our kids a foundation for body dysmorphia early because nowadays it’s very hard to be slim without being a little anorexic. If it tastes good spit it out
like i told you on the other board...this isnt the thread for your dumbass trolling
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:12 pm to lsu777
It’s not trolling
ETA: I’ll leave this thread before the 2xl pfg mafia gets me
ETA: I’ll leave this thread before the 2xl pfg mafia gets me
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:13 pm to el Gaucho
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It’s not trolling
then you are dumb AF
like i told you in the other thread
tanner stage 4 is the optimal time to add muscle mass and strength that will set them up for a healthy life as an adult. nobody is talking abotu becoming 5'9 250lbs. his son is a wrestler.
you are rambling on about stupid shite you have no clue about
why dont you go back to the gurt thread to try and make up some other BS?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:22 pm to Hangover Haven
OP, you've gotten good advice here. Your boy is fine taking it and after load and normalization should seriously see a big drop in lactic acid affect and an increase in recovery. Being able to train harder/longer/more is creatine's special sauce. Strenght/endurance will then follow.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:28 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
You sure are an angry little troll.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:32 pm to AUbagman
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You sure are an angry little troll.
am i? or am i just calling out people just spouting BS?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:38 pm to windmill
Creatine is harmless.
Protein powder is harmless.
People shot their kids up with an experimental vaccine recently for no apparent reason. Both Creatine and Protein are way less harmful for him than that vaccine for his long term health.
Protein powder is harmless.
People shot their kids up with an experimental vaccine recently for no apparent reason. Both Creatine and Protein are way less harmful for him than that vaccine for his long term health.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:38 pm to lsu777
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he can talk to his doctor all he wants...my point wasnt not to talk to them
You pretty much di, you may not have meant to but that is how it comes across. When I suggested he speak with his physician, you asked why and proceeded to try to show why he didn't need to. You should always consult a physician in these matters for a 14-year-old.
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most think eating too much protein causes kidney issues
Excess protein, specifically animal-based proteins other than fish, can cause inflammatory issues which are linked to all sorts of diseases. Too much for me is probably not the same as too much for you since you are building muscle and I'm an old man
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because i am on this lol
That doesn't make you an expert and I would argue it may make you predisposed to drawing conclusions that say it is safe for you to continue to use it (FTR I think it probably is).
I guess my main point is this place is not trustworthy in terms of its opinion, even when it is guys like you and me giving the advice.
But providing the links you did is the best way to give advice here. So let me say that I do appreciate that, personally. There are still pitfalls in what you can find online and it is best to vet the sites you use and seek multiple sources to try to find reasoned consensus. 
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:48 pm to mdomingue
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You pretty much di, you may not have meant to but that is how it comes across. When I suggested he speak with his physician, you asked why and proceeded to try to show why he didn't need to. You should always consult a physician in these matters for a 14-year-old.
see my point was actually not that you shouldnt talk to a doctor but they are literally goign to be clueless on this 99% of the time and its not their fault...this isnt a medical issue and they have no training on it.
its like asking one for diet advice, thats not what they do 99% of the time
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I guess my main point is this place is not trustworthy in terms of its opinion, even when it is guys like you and me giving the advice. But providing the links you did is the best way to give advice here. So let me say that I do appreciate that, personally. There are still pitfalls in what you can find online and it is best to vet the sites you use and seek multiple sources to try to find reasoned consensus.
this was more my point....that anyone should be able to go to examine.com and do the research on any supplement. they pretty much just take all the studies and meta analysis and put it there
but creatine is the most studied supplement on the planet and been shown to be safe for everyone outside of those with pre existing kidney disease.
my point was this isnt something a doctor would know. either do the research yourself on this or seek a sports nutritionist.
now there are doctors that do specialize in these things...but a GP wouldnt know anything about it that you couldnt find from a 2 second google search
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Excess protein, specifically animal-based proteins other than fish, can cause inflammatory issues which are linked to all sorts of diseases. Too much for me is probably not the same as too much for you since you are building muscle and I'm an old ma
ummm....thats false. bunch of studies and meta analysis looking at older adults taking up to 400g protein....no issues. Your data is old and outdated.
as far as you being old...thats when you should absolutely be lifting and eating more protein, not less. if you ever want help with that, come over the H&F board.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:51 pm to AUbagman
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You sure are an angry little troll.
He’s not really angry. lsu777 brings quite a bit of knowledge
He comes across a bit angry at times but I think that’s bc he doesn’t have tolerance for stupidity
But he’s pretty informative overall
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:57 pm to tgrbaitn08
what's the journal impact factor on a majority of those citations
I'm just curious no dog in this fight
I'm just curious no dog in this fight
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:02 pm to tgrbaitn08
My nephew played under Steve Spurrier at UF and creatine was taken by most if not all of the players. It was recommended by the staff. He carried a gallon jug of water wherever he went. After he graduated and quit taking it, he dropped from 305 of solid muscle to 250 lbs of solid muscle. Stuff really works.
Creatine helps you recover faster after workouts and lets you train harder.
Creatine helps you recover faster after workouts and lets you train harder.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:02 pm to lsu777
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if you think the studies are vague you did not look at them
Thanks for your advice...
I was looking for studies in younger teenagers going through puberty, and I guess I didn't find much info.
Ask far as getting "jacked" like some on here said... He doesn't want to get bigger now; he just wants more energy and stamina.
He's weighing in at the 92-96 # range. As an 8th grader, his school doesn't allow them to wrestle V or JV, just middle school divisions.
Hoping he's in that 100# range by his freshman year, lowest weight class for HS wrestling today is 106#'s.
His team does have a weight program.
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i didnt read the whole thread...im sure there will be people spouting off this or that
I kind of blew off the people who thought creatine was a steroid..
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:04 pm to gaetti15
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what's the journal impact factor on a majority of those citations
no idea but at somepoint...i.e. 40+ years of data...the IF doesnt matter. you have multiple meta analysis on this. its the most researched supplement in history by 10 fold.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:07 pm to Hangover Haven
have him start lifting and eating lots of protein. if you want advice on the lifting go over to the H&F board
jim wendler in his 531 forever book wrote a great program called 531 beginner prep school that his wife uses on the 7th and 8th grade athletes that plan to play football at london hs in ohio. its very basic but does a great job of giving them plenty of familiarity with the lifts while not upping the weights too fast. also does a good job of showing proper programming overall.
jim wendler in his 531 forever book wrote a great program called 531 beginner prep school that his wife uses on the 7th and 8th grade athletes that plan to play football at london hs in ohio. its very basic but does a great job of giving them plenty of familiarity with the lifts while not upping the weights too fast. also does a good job of showing proper programming overall.
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