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re: Experts finally admitting that Tigerdroppings was right all along
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:37 am to Antonio Moss
I know the policies are tailored. The one most refer to is gatherings over 50 are still banned. Restaurants are open but spaced out their seating and limited capacity. People were asked to limit interactions. Schools closed.
But they didn’t close non essential businesses. That’s the main difference. The point is the policies above would likely still have made a significant enough impact to limit spread and keep us under hospital capacity without killing the economy as badly as we are. If more dense areas felt the need to make tighter policies, fine. But that would be the only deviation.
But they didn’t close non essential businesses. That’s the main difference. The point is the policies above would likely still have made a significant enough impact to limit spread and keep us under hospital capacity without killing the economy as badly as we are. If more dense areas felt the need to make tighter policies, fine. But that would be the only deviation.
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:40 am to OceanMan
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It’s why I can’t ever get off this site. Best for news and it isn’t close
True. It is easy to dismiss anonymous posters on Internet forums but TD PT and OT are good sources of ideas as well as news. It does not have to be a majority of posters agreeing on a topic, it can just be a few who are marching to a different drum.
quote:from Wisdom of Crowds LINK https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds
some cases, groups are remarkably intelligent and are often smarter than the smartest people in them. The three conditions for a group to be intelligent are diversity, independence, and decentralization.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:42 am to ell_13
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Remember when you tried to claim young and healthy covid cases were putting a strain on the system? And you used data from the end of February as your source which didn’t even include health stats?
I remember.
I remember and I was correct. It took three posts to get you to understand the difference between hospitalization and deaths and then hospitalizations and ICUs.
Then I had to explain that more than one demographic can stress a system at the same time.
There was an exponetial increase in hospitalizations of persons aged 18-49 due to COVID in Louisiana. These people would not have been in the hospital minus COVID - you and other make this ludacris argument that the fact some may have a condition that puts them at a higher risk means they aren't "healthy" when the fact of the matter is they would not be using hospital resources minus COVID infection. This exponetial increase stresses a system setup for lower expected patient population.
This stress along wth exponetially increased stressed from other demogrpahics lead to spillover measures taken in New Orleans in order to account for capacity limitations.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:42 am to ell_13
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What are the differences between us and Sweden? Socialized healthcare? Are they healthier (I’ve read they smoke much more than us but we are fatter)? More hospital/ICU beds (we have more than triple their per capita capacity)?
I’m curious what differences would make us incapable of taking their approach.
Less people, less population density in urban areas than our big cities, less foreign tourists (by a lot), skinnier (a lot), and they actually smoke less, so not sure where you got that.
Death rates from smoking per 100,000:
US - 75.61
Sweden - 58.05
Or you could say cigarette consumption per person per year:
US - 1,016 (68th most)
Sweden - 716 (86th most)
Obesity rates are crazy different:
US - 36.2%
Sweden - 20.6%
Sweden has far less risk when it comes to this virus. Far less.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:43 am to Antonio Moss
Yet again. You ignore the health of these patients. Ffs.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:44 am to Pepperoni
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diversity, independence, and decentralization.
1 outta 3 ain't bad, I guess.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:45 am to ell_13
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So he did or didn’t create the virus? He creates everything, right?
Nah, God gave man free will.
I 100% believe that communist China created the virus to kill off their older, unproductive population and it got out of control due to them being, China.
God uses all things for good though. You might have to just trust that.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:46 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:It was some article referencing a study from like 2011. This was earlier this week. I don’t doubt you necessarily. Because it was just something I scanned and I’m not trying to discount any differences. We aren’t like Italy either, but that didn’t stop tons of people trying to make that comparison. It was a genuine question.
they actually smoke less, so not sure where you got that.
Death rates from smoking per 100,000:
US - 75.61
Sweden - 58.05
Or you could say cigarette consumption per person per year:
US - 1,016 (68th most)
Sweden - 716 (86th most)
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:46 am to ell_13
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Yet again. You ignore the health of these patients. Ffs.
A perfect example of why I don't concern myself with opinions of most on this board.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:46 am to TheCaterpillar
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Sweden has far less risk when it comes to this virus. Far less.
And yet they have 62% more deaths per capita. How/why?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:47 am to shawnlsu
quote:You aren’t helping yourself come across as reasonable.
I 100% believe that communist China created the virus to kill off their older, unproductive population and it got out of control due to them being, China.
God uses all things for good though. You might have to just trust that.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:48 am to Antonio Moss
You think way too highly of yourself for how dumb you really are.
You literally used February data to claim that 20% of hospitalizations were young and healthy people between 18-49. When we (lsupride87 and I) pointed out that we were referring to HEALTHY people in that age range, you continued to ignore us. And when we point out that testing during that period was heavily skewed to the most vulnerable since testing was so limited and the data was shite.
Today, you amazingly agree that the old data was shite because now it proves a new point you are trying to make which is that the early predictions were really bad.
Awesome how much of a hypocrite you are. But please... continue to act like some intellectual.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:48 am to MoarKilometers
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And yet they have 62% more deaths per capita. How/why?
Maybe a lack of preventive measures. We will see as the start to lockdown more.
It could be where the spread started although I doubt it considering our most affected area is NYC.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:49 am to Penrod
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Experts finally admitting that Tigerdroppings was right all along
You realize that TD also said 5 weeks ago that this was "muh flu"
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:49 am to ell_13
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Shawn believes small business owners and the people they employ worship money.
I am a small business owner. I also have contingency plans for down times. No one here has missed a paycheck, and I am the only one that has been in the office (other than my wife and daughter) in a month.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:51 am to TheCaterpillar
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Now, I'm in the camp that says at the end of April, we need to phase the economy back online. Keep the 50% capacity rules and no concerts/large gatherings, etc., but re-open otherwise. Continue with the masks and 6 ft. guidelines as well. And continue isolating the highly vulnerable until a vaccine is out there.
Now that we know more about the virus, I agree wholeheartedly.
I still think they did the right thing initially.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:53 am to Antonio Moss
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ludacris argument
Leave my boy Luda out of this, man
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:54 am to shawnlsu
quote:And your daughter doesn’t complain about not being with kids her age.
I also have contingency plans for down times. No one here has missed a paycheck, and I am the only one that has been in the office (other than my wife and daughter) in a month.
We get it. This is a competition for you and you want a pat on the back for doing so well. Here’s your gold star.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:55 am to MoarKilometers
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And yet they have 62% more deaths per capita. How/why?
We are geographically and population wise massive in comparison. We have enormous swathes of land between our major population centers and we have major metros that haven't had any clusters really yet.
Sweden is tiny in comparison, so it makes sense their number is higher per capita as it has hit their only large population center. They have half the people in their country as Greater Metro New York City.
And we've taken much more aggressive measures to combat transmission/spread.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:55 am to barry
Still not far off from being correct though.
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